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Beyond Good and Evil          literarydiscussions.myfreeforum.org Forum Index -> Dialogues View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Sitaram Site Admin Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 1079 Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 10:40 am    Post subject: Beyond Good and Evil aiden_dream : am sorry for last night..my account has finished suddenly How are you? voicesofafricaunited: participation is very slow at voicesofafricaunited message board voicesofafricaunited: we pay $40 USD per month for DSL fast internet service over the phone line (and you can talk at same time) aiden_dream : why? voicesofafricaunited: but you must purchase blocks of time, for your account to "run out" aiden_dream : what do you mean voicesofafricaunited: you wrote: am sorry for last night..my account has finished suddenly. That sentence implies to me that you have chunks of time, in an account... aiden_dream : blocks of time? Yes..you know here we buy net cards voicesofafricaunited: aha, net cards , i see aiden_dream : for example I bought a new one today it has 20 hours voicesofafricaunited: like cell phone cards here voicesofafricaunited: how much does it cost in US dollars aiden_dream : yes and we use phone line to connect voicesofafricaunited: what do you call your currence voicesofafricaunited: Nigeria has "neira" (like italian lira) aiden_dream : 7-8 dollar for 20 hrs aiden_dream : Iran has rials voicesofafricaunited: oh, yes, i have heard that word voicesofafricaunited: and you dial up your internet through a telephone aiden_dream : true we do, so the phone is occupied when I am connected voicesofafricaunited: we had that for some years with AOL aiden_dream : aol? voicesofafricaunited: America On Line voicesofafricaunited: $30 per month i think, for unlimited, all you want, but through dial up, and phone is tied up aiden_dream : oh ok voicesofafricaunited: very popular with children and teenagers aiden_dream : guess what? aiden_dream : on saturday my dad bought a violin for me! aiden_dream : am so excited...so eager to learn it asap voicesofafricaunited: then, 5 years ago, i purchased AOL dsl, with a special modem, that let you use phone while on line voicesofafricaunited: how wonderful, a violin aiden_dream : I was craving to have one for 4 months! voicesofafricaunited: in the 5th century, Augustine said, "when you sing you pray TWICE" which is a commentary on the spiritual dimension of music aiden_dream : I really need more harmony in my life aiden_dream : I felt its really necessary to learn playing an instrument aiden_dream : actually my favorite instrument was piano since I was a child it was a dream to learn palying piano ..but you know it costs so much so its still a dream voicesofafricaunited: oh... you know.... in India, a catholic jesuit priest aiden_dream : but I got more familiar with violin in last few months and found it really fascinating aiden_dream : yes? voicesofafricaunited: spent 40 years, living with one of the poorest castes, Vishwa Karma. and he made a school for all the childdren.... and EACH CHILD received a violin aiden_dream : how beautiful!!! voicesofafricaunited: and they were on television...educational tv did a documentary. And after several years, they were all quite proficient aiden_dream : wow aiden_dream : I wish I was 7-8 !!! voicesofafricaunited: now.. last year that old jesuit priest died aiden_dream : oh voicesofafricaunited: but... that was how he spend his life aiden_dream : beautiful life voicesofafricaunited: he learned to speak their native language aiden_dream : voicesofafricaunited: they would go in the streets to find children,... and he said, if their last name was Vishwa Karma voicesofafricaunited: then, that was half of the requirment for admission aiden_dream : voicesofafricaunited: those were the very poorest caste voicesofafricaunited: so, he focused upon them, helping them aiden_dream : I wish my last name was vishwa! voicesofafricaunited: and, one of those children, who actually had some hearing aid... because quite a professional violinist voicesofafricaunited: remember beethoven was deaf, yet composed symphonies voicesofafricaunited: because he could "hear" the written notes in his head, as he wrote the score aiden_dream : yes but he became deaf later voicesofafricaunited: but... continued to compose aiden_dream : yes he was familiar with the sounds voicesofafricaunited: when such great musicians compose,... the sit with pen and paper... they KNOW how the written notes will sound, without testing out on the piano aiden_dream : true!!! aiden_dream : I think they are the most interesting creatures of the world..those composers aiden_dream : also poets voicesofafricaunited: once, in a music store... i saw the COMPLETE works of Mozart for sale, for $2000 , it was a huge number of CDs aiden_dream : voicesofafricaunited: he was incredibly prolific composer aiden_dream : yes voicesofafricaunited: and from early childhood i believe aiden_dream : yes..you have seen the movie about him? aiden_dream : amadeus motzart voicesofafricaunited: no, i have not aiden_dream : it shows his life aiden_dream : it was an interesting movie voicesofafricaunited: i saw the advertisements and (what do you call it, feeds, clips) voicesofafricaunited: some years ago aiden_dream : yes voicesofafricaunited: they made the character seem wild-eyed, mischievous voicesofafricaunited: looking for trouble,... aiden_dream : voicesofafricaunited: to help the story line... voicesofafricaunited: cant make a movie about a workaholic who sits up all night scribbling notes aiden_dream : haha voicesofafricaunited: stoping only for the toilet, and tee voicesofafricaunited: oh, here is a joke... man walks into doctors office repeating over and over voicesofafricaunited: "im a wigwam, im a teepee, im a wigwam, im a teepee" voicesofafricaunited: the doctor says, "sit down you're TWO TENTS" aiden_dream : what does it mean? voicesofafricaunited: (TOO TENSE) voicesofafricaunited: wigwam is american indian tent voicesofafricaunited: teepee is also american indian tent voicesofafricaunited: so, initially we are confused by what the man is saying voicesofafricaunited: then... the play on words... TWO TENTS, sounds like TOO TENSE voicesofafricaunited: TOO NERVOUS voicesofafricaunited: UP TIGHT aiden_dream : aiden_dream : what do you mean....why you mentioned that? aiden_dream : hello? voicesofafricaunited: back voicesofafricaunited: hmmm... now i forget what brought that to mind.. except you are medical student voicesofafricaunited: good doctor joke aiden_dream : haha aiden_dream : I didnt understand it anyway aiden_dream : haha voicesofafricaunited: well... i guess, i was thinking about mozart movie... that you cant have a story line unless your character is portrayed as some (i am forgetting certain vocabulary words i need) voicesofafricaunited: rascal voicesofafricaunited: but that is not word voicesofafricaunited: frenetic voicesofafricaunited: so... too tense joke.. aiden_dream : voicesofafricaunited: in other words, in real life, a great person like that would be quite focused... and not like some bugs bunny cartoon character voicesofafricaunited: playing pranks... and naughty things voicesofafricaunited: but the pranks and naughtiness are what amuses us and provides action and plot in a movie aiden_dream : well haha he was naughty aiden_dream : but I can not know aiden_dream : he is my beloved anyway even if he was naughty voicesofafricaunited: i am saying that the real mozart was perhaps quite focused and intense voicesofafricaunited: you cannot be a silly clown, and achieve greatness aiden_dream : well he is intense..else he couldnt make such art voicesofafricaunited: look at the life of Emmanuel Kant... voicesofafricaunited: very concentrated, intense, regular aiden_dream : well you cant compare people voicesofafricaunited: now, if you had to make a popular movie, about emmanuel kant.. you would have to make him someone who clowns around and peeks up ladies' dresses, and that sort of thing... to create entertainment voicesofafricaunited: i am focusing on the problem of making movies about actual people aiden_dream : well its not possible voicesofafricaunited: there must be naughtiness,.... or else drama, or some great dilemma.. voicesofafricaunited: to make it entertaining... voicesofafricaunited: but in real life.... perhaps there was no comedy, no drama, no dilemma... aiden_dream : perhaps not voicesofafricaunited: Carl Sandberg, american poet, spent years writing the life of Abraham Lincoln.... aiden_dream : voicesofafricaunited: I purchased the 3 paperback volumns when i was teenager... thinking it would be worthwhile, good for me aiden_dream : yes? voicesofafricaunited: well,... the first ten pages, were so unbearably sweet... painting him like some saint (Lincoln) voicesofafricaunited: i can only type 80wpm voicesofafricaunited: it was too unbelievable, too unrealistic aiden_dream : oh voicesofafricaunited: i stopped reading it, and thought sandberg a fool aiden_dream : haha voicesofafricaunited: for overdoing the character of lincoln voicesofafricaunited: he was a real person... he became weary, he slept, he hungered and thirsted, he had sexual temptations,... he felt anger,... jealosy voicesofafricaunited: yes he was a great man, Gandhi too was a great man... aiden_dream : yes voicesofafricaunited: but, we tend to over enlarge real people into larger than life heros and saints and supermen voicesofafricaunited: that is a function of history and myth aiden_dream : voicesofafricaunited: as a medical student you must be aware that, when they do stomach and intestinal surgery,... they wont let you out of hospital until you pass gas voicesofafricaunited: an unpleasant fact of life... aiden_dream : yes voicesofafricaunited: lack of gas is a sign of illness voicesofafricaunited: hence, even saints and heros have gas aiden_dream : haha voicesofafricaunited: i mean, ... here is another example voicesofafricaunited: we had a woman candidate for president... voicesofafricaunited: so the television comedians were making jokes... voicesofafricaunited: and also in the cartoons in the newspaper... aiden_dream : why? voicesofafricaunited: so,... in these jokes... they speak of finding some boy who dated her in high school... voicesofafricaunited: and in the joke, he says "i coped a feel",.... which is slang for "i touched her breast" voicesofafricaunited: as if this woman candidate was not a human being with a childhood, adolescence, a history, feelings... aiden_dream : haha voicesofafricaunited: who as part of that would fall in love, kiss aiden_dream : I konw what you mean voicesofafricaunited: i mean Eisenhower was a great general and president... voicesofafricaunited: but he farted.... he most likely masturbated as a child.. voicesofafricaunited: he probably coped a feel voicesofafricaunited: we are all human voicesofafricaunited: our biological nature does not render us incapable of nobility and greatness aiden_dream : what do you mean? voicesofafricaunited: we become noble and great and even saintly IN SPITE of our biological nature voicesofafricaunited: not because we are fictional characters which lack such natures voicesofafricaunited: Sandberg's Lincoln never farted or coped a feel voicesofafricaunited: i guess what i am striving to express... voicesofafricaunited: getting back to the unrealistic Mozart movie aiden_dream : yes haha voicesofafricaunited: about a genius who is also a rascal and a scamp aiden_dream : ok ok !!! voicesofafricaunited: this is the poetic license of media, but also of epic poetry, and the novel aiden_dream : I myself found it a bit unrealistic voicesofafricaunited: i was thinking about "The Old Man and the Sea" today... aiden_dream : and felt bad they showed him that way aiden_dream : but even in that movie you love the character voicesofafricaunited: well,... that old man, who went fishing.... had no money, no medical insurance.... no hospital voicesofafricaunited: yet, he went out in that boat,.... and perhaps might have been seriously injured, requiring surgery aiden_dream : he had a sad lifealthough he made such happy musics voicesofafricaunited: now... i will tell you what i saw on TV yesterday... aiden_dream : yes? voicesofafricaunited: a documentary about the Moca peoples, primitive fishermen nomadics who live on the ocean constantly voicesofafricaunited: off the coast of Burma voicesofafricaunited: and THEY were the ones to realize that the tsunami was coming... voicesofafricaunited: and they escaped distruction voicesofafricaunited: they were interviewing these natives... who do not speak anything but their obscure Moca dialect voicesofafricaunited: dialect is not proper word.. since it implies a VARIANT of some main language.. voicesofafricaunited: i am sure it is a unique ancient language... aiden_dream : yes voicesofafricaunited: anyway.... these Moca people for centuries would tell a fire side story voicesofafricaunited: about SEVEN WAVES which would come and EAT PEOPLE... voicesofafricaunited: but this was a prehistoric memory of past tsunami, passed down for generations voicesofafricaunited: an oral tradition... voicesofafricaunited: some of the Moca people were on land, their island... and they saw the ocean suddenly draw back for a mile... to expose dry ocean bed... voicesofafricaunited: that is because the tsunami wave is approaching, and sucking up all the water... voicesofafricaunited: one very old moca man... they interviewed him through a translator... voicesofafricaunited: he explained that he HEARD (noticed) THE sudden silence of the cicada chirping (insects, and little frogs)... voicesofafricaunited: usually in a jungle,... that sound of insects and frogs is constant and loud... aiden_dream : ? voicesofafricaunited: so... he went about the island warning people to move to highest ground voicesofafricaunited: the younger ones thought he was drunk... voicesofafricaunited: now... other moca natives were fishin at sea voicesofafricaunited: they notices certain subtle signs.... voicesofafricaunited: there were fisherman of other nationalities, nearby, who paid no attention voicesofafricaunited: the primitive moca fishermen made haste out to sea, to much deeper water... voicesofafricaunited: and were saved... aiden_dream : ah interesting voicesofafricaunited: but the modern fishermen, who paid no attention... were killed voicesofafricaunited: the ancient moca, have no phone or computer.... perhaps do not write... voicesofafricaunited: but, the old moca man said,.... the foreigners DO NOT KNOW HOW TO LOOK.... voicesofafricaunited: they do not see, in the way the moca see... aiden_dream : voicesofafricaunited: now... that old man, was toothless... voicesofafricaunited: and they showed how he wanted a fish for breakfast voicesofafricaunited: so... with one toss of his spear, at a great distance... he spears a blowfish voicesofafricaunited: now.. they show him cuttting up the puffer fish voicesofafricaunited: and... if you butcher (cut) it improperly,... there is a part which is poison and will kill you voicesofafricaunited: but the old man cuts it properly, and eats his breakfast.. aiden_dream : what you want to say? voicesofafricaunited: now... they explain that the moca language lacks certain words which we take for granted voicesofafricaunited: such as WANT... voicesofafricaunited: they say, "I give this, or i TAKE that"... but there is no word for "I WANT a violin" voicesofafricaunited: for example... aiden_dream : voicesofafricaunited: well... one point is , "real life" verses poetic license voicesofafricaunited: these moca people were real, genuine.. that is how they live for thousands of years. aiden_dream : true voicesofafricaunited: now... if the producer who made the mozart movie, were to make a movie about the tsunami and the moca... aiden_dream : haha voicesofafricaunited: well.. he would have one mocan be a mischievous clown and prankster.... peeking at women undressing, getting drunk.... stealing things voicesofafricaunited: and there would be several other story lines.. voicesofafricaunited: you know how hollywood and bollywood are aiden_dream : haha aiden_dream : I am happy I didnt make that music! aiden_dream : and you havent seen it even voicesofafricaunited: which music.... voicesofafricaunited: in mozart voicesofafricaunited: movie aiden_dream : oh I meant movie voicesofafricaunited: ok, i understand... voicesofafricaunited: i saw the film previews voicesofafricaunited: steinbeck has a very funny page, in "East of Eden", the first page of chapter 19 voicesofafricaunited: he speaks of the first pioneers (mountain men)... rough, wild, who went to settle the wilderness... voicesofafricaunited: but NEXT came the lawyers , to bring order to newly forming towns... voicesofafricaunited: but NEXT came the religious missionaries, to save souls aiden_dream : voicesofafricaunited: and steinbeck says "they came PRANCING AND FARTING LIKE LARGE HORSES in beer festival time" voicesofafricaunited: prancing and farting,... such an amusing phrase to describe all the religious fanatics who came preaching voicesofafricaunited: prance is like dance... aiden_dream : haha voicesofafricaunited: except horses are said to prance voicesofafricaunited: so, one things of something quite vain and proud, yet foolish aiden_dream : voicesofafricaunited: now... steinbeck goes on to say that these foolish prancing clowns, with self serving interests voicesofafricaunited: were actually speaking fragments of truth and beauty... from the bible... voicesofafricaunited: now, he says they are like the performing seals in the circus voicesofafricaunited: who play a musical instrument of horns voicesofafricaunited: the seal bites the horn, and bites out the National Anthem... voicesofafricaunited: which is very comical and crude... voicesofafricaunited: AND YET RECOGNIZABLE.. voicesofafricaunited: this is Steinbecks two profound points... aiden_dream : hey you read that anthem? voicesofafricaunited: point #1: truth and beauty is recognizable even in the most crude form aiden_dream : yes voicesofafricaunited: awooooo... you miss the point totally aiden_dream : voicesofafricaunited: i make national anthem as an example voicesofafricaunited: the seals could honk out anything, mozart aiden_dream : no suddenly it occured to my mind haha voicesofafricaunited: the point is that whatever they honk out, biting the horns, is RECOGNIZABLE.... even though it is mutilated by some foolish beast voicesofafricaunited: that is point #1.... voicesofafricaunited: point #2 which steinbeck makes on that page... voicesofafricaunited: there is one preacher... let us call him Reverand Smith. aiden_dream : yes? voicesofafricaunited: i cant remember the name.. but it is unimportant aiden_dream : voicesofafricaunited: you always type ? as if you are impatient,... while i am typing my brains out... voicesofafricaunited: how fast do you think i can type voicesofafricaunited: anyway.... be patient and listen... without silly ? voicesofafricaunited: point # 2, Reverand Smith, goes about preaching certain biblical truths voicesofafricaunited: but he is a rascal... he drinks , steals, and fornicates... voicesofafricaunited: finally Rev. smith is caught and imprisoned voicesofafricaunited: but POINT #2 which steinbeck makes.... voicesofafricaunited: it that those TRUTHS, like seeds.... found a place to sprout in various peoples hearts voicesofafricaunited: and the shortcoming of Rev. Smith, in no way hampered the good done by those words of truth and beauty aiden_dream : true voicesofafricaunited: but... you see, we must pain our Lincolns and our Gandhis and our prophets, as bigger than life, flawless heros who never fart and never cop feels, and never stub their toe and cuss and get angry aiden_dream : aiden_dream : well its like ... aiden_dream : for example when you are a child you find everything unbearable voicesofafricaunited: yes aiden_dream : school...parents orders etc aiden_dream : but when you grow up you say ..oh how beautiful childhood was aiden_dream : and you miss those sad moments voicesofafricaunited: we only recognize beuaty when it is too late aiden_dream : I mean when you are writing about someone you focus one good points only voicesofafricaunited: we realize only in retrospect how special things were aiden_dream : but perhaps they were as special as they are now!!! voicesofafricaunited: or, perhaps one has the goal or agenda to demonize that person, and then they focus only on the bad aiden_dream : but now they dont seem special at all voicesofafricaunited: for example, my father fought the germans in world war II... aiden_dream : yes..its difficult to be just an observer and see the whole of the truth innocently voicesofafricaunited: but... in conversation, once, he pointed out some of the good things hitler did.... to make the point that he was not totally bad.. although the evil side of him was of gargantuan proportions aiden_dream : voicesofafricaunited: hitler helped the economy,... founded the volkswagen factory,.... built the autobann , improved things voicesofafricaunited: and... one might compare hitler with martin luther of the german reformation in the 16th century voicesofafricaunited: luther did some good things... but he had an abnormal hatred of the jews, and in his writings , suggested things which sound like hitlers holocaust pogrom aiden_dream : ah I see voicesofafricaunited: and one may easily find flaws in the life of lincoln, or gandhi... voicesofafricaunited: so,... we are mixtures of good an evil... aiden_dream : true voicesofafricaunited: but those of us who have greatness, struggle AGAINST those wicked temptations.... and we are nobler for that than someone who LACKED those wicked desires.... aiden_dream : something interesting about the God introduction in islam aiden_dream : that he is not only good ...he is cruel etc voicesofafricaunited: for... what merit is it to no sin, when you have no appetite for the sin voicesofafricaunited: well... i may support your point with something from judeo christian scriptures.. which suggests that god is BEYOND good an evil... aiden_dream : haha voicesofafricaunited: in the book of Job, in old testament... God has many soliloquy monolog to job aiden_dream : what does it mean beyond/? voicesofafricaunited: and there is a striking passage where he says that he even LEADS PEOPLE ASTRAY at his will... voicesofafricaunited: ok... beyond good and evil voicesofafricaunited: a title of something from nietzsche voicesofafricaunited: but.... listen... voicesofafricaunited: Jesus tells his disciples, on palm sunday... voicesofafricaunited: to go to a certain place, where they will find the colt of a mare tied up.... voicesofafricaunited: and to TAKE that colt (small horse/donkey) voicesofafricaunited: and WHEN the owners say WHAT ARE YOU DOING... voicesofafricaunited: to answer them and say "OUR MASTER HAS NEED OF THIS"... and then they will allow you to depart with the animal.. voicesofafricaunited: well,.. Jesus is literally telling them to STEAL the animal... voicesofafricaunited: they do not first ask permission... and THEN take the animal voicesofafricaunited: one minute... away from keyboard AFK aiden_dream : ? voicesofafricaunited: why the blasted ? aiden_dream : whats AFK? voicesofafricaunited: i have to do things sometimes for my wife voicesofafricaunited: away from keyboard aiden_dream : ah voicesofafricaunited: Away From Keyboard aiden_dream : is she fine? voicesofafricaunited: she just asks for this and that voicesofafricaunited: and i fetch it aiden_dream : voicesofafricaunited: oh... you will like this story about Chongo the monkey voicesofafricaunited: in philippino language, Chongo is word for monkey aiden_dream : yes I already liked it voicesofafricaunited: well... on educational tv voicesofafricaunited: there was documentary about a man who is paraplegic voicesofafricaunited: and they gave him a baby monkey, trained to do his chores aiden_dream : what happened to stealing jesus? voicesofafricaunited: and fetch things for him.... when he is alone voicesofafricaunited: wait.... i can write an essay about the complex topic of god being beyond good an evil aiden_dream : voicesofafricaunited: beyond good and evil... simply.. there are many passages which demonstrate that god can steal, and it is not stealing, kill, and it is not killing... lie, and it is not lying voicesofafricaunited: but back to the monkey voicesofafricaunited: the man named his servant monkey "hellion" because as a baby he was so wild voicesofafricaunited: well.. the monkey was part of an experiment aiden_dream : haha voicesofafricaunited: to train monkeys to help paraplegics voicesofafricaunited: and the monkey served his needs for many years.... voicesofafricaunited: now.... at a certain point... the paraplegic man regained some use of his arm... aiden_dream : voicesofafricaunited: and when the monkey saw the man do some things for himself... they monkey became visibly upset aiden_dream : then he had quadriplegia? voicesofafricaunited: because, in the monkeys mind... the man was not supposed to move voicesofafricaunited: no motion or ability hands feet... aiden_dream : oh my poor monkey voicesofafricaunited: only mouth head voicesofafricaunited: anyway my wife and i watched tv documentary voicesofafricaunited: and she said, OH you are MY chongo (monkey) aiden_dream : its quadriplesia ..paraplesia cant use his legs only voicesofafricaunited: so sometimes we joke... about that aiden_dream : hahaha voicesofafricaunited: hmmm.. back to the BEYOND GOOD AND EVIL, let us call it BGAE... for short aiden_dream : I cant stay more voicesofafricaunited: it has to do with the notion that, if God is the SOURCE of rules... then god must not be SUBJECT to those rules, hence god is PRIOR to good and evil... exempt voicesofafricaunited: now... consider being and non-being aiden_dream : shall we continue next time? voicesofafricaunited: ok... or i can email to you my thoughts voicesofafricaunited: the internet is chewing up your time aiden_dream : thank you!(I know that god is beyond anyway) voicesofafricaunited: i understand now aiden_dream : voicesofafricaunited: it is not a matter of what you do or do not know.. it is an exercise in discurse voicesofafricaunited: discourse aiden_dream : true thats why I asked haha voicesofafricaunited: if i tell you something,... it is not because i think you do not know it... aiden_dream : I know haha voicesofafricaunited: it is a subject, topic, for exercise, exploration... called dialectic voicesofafricaunited: socrates likens the process to a weavers loom, with warp and woof, and shuttle weaving in and our, voicesofafricaunited: to create a tapestry aiden_dream : voicesofafricaunited: so.... little monkey must say goodbye to little ladybug aiden_dream : haha thank you for sharing time aiden_dream : I enjoyed aiden_dream : aiden_dream : bye byeeeeeeeee) voicesofafricaunited: i know that is "right up your alley" voicesofafricaunited: bye aiden_dream : ? 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