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elijahprophet21: why wont satan beleive on Jesus?

literarydiscussions: there is a verse which says, "The demons believe
and tremble"

literarydiscussions: belief is necessary, but not sufficient, for salvation

literarydiscussions: pharisaical, self-righteous hypocrites are also
daemonic

de_truth_shall_set_u_free: JESUS offers eternal life and a full pardon
from sin ..to you today....anyone want to know more???

b_bops_foz: no offence de_truth..............but if you really wanted to
save a soul or two, why wouldn't you go to the rooms not branded as

b_bops_foz: I'm not saying that every soul here is saved........but
there's lots of work to be done on tougher turf, you know?

literarydiscussions: what hubris and audacity to think that you can
personally save a soul

de_truth_shall_set_u_free: i got a news flash for you bops....not all
people in here are christians besides i cant save anybody but JESUS
can

literarydiscussions: Jesus clearly states that no man comes to him
unless the Father draws them....

de_truth_shall_set_u_free: JESUS offers eternal life and a full pardon
from sin ..to you today....anyone want to know more???

literarydiscussions: Paul said "WORK out your salvation in fear and
trembling..." that does not sound so easy, or automatic, or guaranteed
to me

mockingblasphemer: Alito, Typing in Tongues? Or perhaps a bit of
Transubstantiation.

mockingblasphemer: Aw, I've got it. How about Jephthah's daughter.

b_bops_foz: Typing in tongues you say?

mockingblasphemer: Yup, if you can speak in em. Certainly you
should be able to type in them.

literarydiscussions: In the Psalms, "My tongues is the pen of a swiftly
writing scribe"

literarydiscussions: "The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning,
but the heart of the fool is in the house of mirth"

literarydiscussions: eat, drink, and be merry

mockingblasphemer: Many fools have said in their heart "their is no
God" but many wise people have said it loudly.

mockingblasphemer: Did you hear the Mic.. They pronounced Jesus

wrong.
Wingnut: good ashlee you
mockingblasphemer: It's Jeeee-eeeeee-sus.
AJ: tooth ache and ear ache r the worst
Ashlee: blessed, thanks
mockingblasphemer: Three syllables.
Jen: yup
Wingnut: yw
AJ: u got that right
Jen: yupp
mockingblasphemer: And GAWD. With a W.
AJ: pray about it.. by his stripes we r healed
b_bops_foz: are you picking on Southerners mock?
mockingblasphemer: LOL, oh yeah.
literarydiscussions: real tv ministers say GAW-duh
b_bops_foz: have at it, I'm originally from Vermont
AJ: lol literary
literarydiscussions: seriously
literarydiscussions: listen to them
Jen: ashlee were do you live what state?
mockingblasphemer: LOL, yup. They always end with that Duh.
AJ: stormin here.. cold and nasty
Jen: my dads homestate.
b_bops_foz: It was pretty hot here Today
Jen: I love cold weather
AJ: is it stormin in springfield redlamb
Wingnut: weathers nice here in Fla lol
AJ: cold bites..
Ashlee: what part is he from, Jen?
AJ: HURRICANES
Wingnut: yeah
Jen: Im in oklahoma fixing to go to utah.
AJ: lol ash
b_bops_foz: Wing.........no tropical storms in the current forecasts
Ashlee: lol
Jen: ashlee I dont know to tell you the truth.
Wingnut: oh were almost hurricane proof
mockingblasphemer: I'm heah to tok to yew abowt Jeee-Eeee-Zusssss

and his heavenly fathuh Go-Owww-Duh!!!
Ashlee: oh ok
Wingnut: lol
Jen: never been to Florida.
Jen: not been many places.
mockingblasphemer: But spelling badly is most fun when people yell

in text. "Get Thee Behind Me SATIN!!!"
b_bops_foz: how many gallons of water are in your pantry? I have

twelve
b_bops_foz: How many D batteries do you own?
Wingnut: no bops thanks
Jen: you never know anything these days.
AJ: true jen
AJ: very true
b_bops_foz: Satin can be trouble mocking.......some folks are allergic

to certain textiles
Jen: nope
b_bops_foz: no what wing?
Jen: people you think you know you usually dont
Wingnut: no storms
b_bops_foz: oh sorry, i caught up
mockingblasphemer: Satin isn't evil B-bops. It's Polyester/Cotton

blends that are possessed.
literarydiscussions: and yet, Prophet Elizha heard God only in that

"still, small voice"
AJ: I believe that these r 'the end days'
b_bops_foz: I have NOAA fed to my yahoo page
b_bops_foz: you have a point mock
AJ: amen sister
mockingblasphemer: Not really, but I could quote the scripture about

not using two textiles in the same fabric.
literarydiscussions: the Jewish law of Shatnas, wool and linen
b_bops_foz: there is a scripture?
mockingblasphemer: literary don't you mean Elija?
b_bops_foz: oooh
Jen: aj i think so tooo. wars-dieses-murders-sin sin sin everywhere

great anxiety...
AJ: yes jen
literarydiscussions: that same verse suggests that genetic engineering

may be forbidden
Ashlee: BRB
Jen: the world is just a complete mess!
AJ: Now more than ever we have to be right with God
Jen: MATERIALIZED
b_bops_foz: See, now that's interesting to me
b_bops_foz: thanks for sharing
Jen: AJ these days its soooo hard to stay focused
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elijahprophet21: REPENT, you nasty homosexuals
elijahprophet21 is back
mockingblasphemer: Literary, with genetic engineering the idea of

original sin passing from the fathers sperm into the child would be

eliminated.
literarydiscussions: there are variant versians of the prophets name,

Elias being another one... you will find the variations in google
lil_aussie_angel5: g'day all
mockingblasphemer: Neat Lit.
b_bops_foz: g'day lil aussie
literarydiscussions: the eastern orthodox greek christians always

rejected the notion of original sin, as well as the notion of immaculate

conception,...
lil_aussie_angel5: how is everyone today?
AJ: yes Jen.. and this flesh.. oh mercy. .this flesh
literarydiscussions: one greek bishop once joked that the immaculate

conception is a poor solution to a non-existent problem
Ashlee: I'm blessed, lil aussie
AJ: we just have to pray to die to self
charbercharber: great, aussie
mockingblasphemer: Literary with their rejection of original sin

wouldn't the sacrifice of their hypothetical Jesus be unnecesary?
Wingnut: wb ashley
Ashlee: how are you, aussie?
AJ: and the world we live in.. makes it hard
Ashlee: thanks!\
temptingeyes4you: HI ROOM
Jen: yup yup
elijahprophet21: do you mamzers even know the original sin?
lil_aussie_angel5: im gr8 ty
b_bops_foz: What do you mean AJ?
Ashlee: you're welcome
literarydiscussions: well... you see, various theologies based on the

idea of the crucifixion as substitutionary atonement are flawed and

problematic and debatable...
charbercharber: elijah, whom are you calling a bastard?
elijahprophet21: i'm 4teen
AJ: yes
AJ: I hope so
AJ: I'm ready to go home
lil_aussie_angel5: amen come lord jesus
Ashlee: amen, AJ
AJ: has been 2000 years
Jen: nope !
elijahprophet21: and i dont curse, ty , hun
mockingblasphemer: Of course, you can't punish someone else for

your crime. Substitution doesn't settle the moral debt.
lil_aussie_angel5: i wanna give jesus a big hug when i see him
lil_aussie_angel5: cant wait
tamsnglemom1971: hello all
AJ: amen.. let us sing praises for 10,000 years and have no less time
Wingnut: lol amen aussie
literarydiscussions: If you really want to dig deeply into the complexity

of the various dogmas of salvation throughout the centuries, you may

read the 5 volumes of Jaroslav Pelikan, "The History and Development

of Christian Doctrine"
Ashlee: Hello tamsngle
Ashlee: How are ya?
yacrezzy: everyone knows that the original sin is very debatable and

has full of errors
tamsnglemom1971: hi ash
tamsnglemom1971: im good you ]
AJ: wb ash
lil_aussie_angel5: wb
Wingnut: lol ash
Ashlee: I am blessed, thanks
Jen: these days everyone is tryin to please everyone and look COOL in

front of others
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literarydiscussions: Anselm was one of the ones who began to stress

the notion of substitute atonement
AJ: yes
charbercharber: boom boom boom
AJ: true jen
elijahprophet21: pride iwas first sin
mockingblasphemer: I'm in the middle of an early Christian Doctrine

Development book at the moment already.
Jen: impress the crowd
literarydiscussions: excellent
lil_aussie_angel5: church was awesome today
mockingblasphemer: L. Michael White's "From Jesus to Christianity".
tamsnglemom1971: having a nice nite r
Jen: brb
elijahprophet21: leppers are covered in boils
Wingnut: color me bad but i think it only works if you both add each

other
elijahprophet21: will hell be any better?
*** grl_wcrazy_legs will be ignored.
b_bops_foz: that cam thing is NOT safe
Ashlee: what do you mean, wingnut?
b_bops_foz: no one click that on their profile
Wingnut: frriends list
yacrezzy: the concept of an innocent person dying for the sins of

mankind is very barbaric in comparison to todays knowledge and

understanding on life on earth
mockingblasphemer: 12 minutes until Rome is on.
lil_aussie_angel5: whats rome?
mockingblasphemer: Series on HBO.
literarydiscussions: Pelagius , who debated with Augustine, had a very

interesting argument against original sin
mockingblasphemer: What was Pelagius's arguement.
slo_keys: mocking,thats an interesting book tittle
yacrezzy: you mean to tell me that men can charge a guilty person and

punish him according to his conduct but god cannot
lil_aussie_angel5: being bored
literarydiscussions: ok.... Pelagius reasoned that IF it would be

possible for the sin of one man, to cast all future generations into sin

and guilt, even those who knew nothing about adam...
lil_aussie_angel5: nothing to do
Jen: me and my husband are at a friends staying for a few days till we

hit the road
Wingnut: lol aussie
mockingblasphemer: If a man is a murderer. And another man is

willing to go to the chair for him. And you kill the innocent man. How

can anyone say that Justice has been satisfied?
Jen: if you think your bored just think how they felt in the old days
literarydiscussions: then it should be equally possible for the

goodness of Christ to save all future generations, EVEN THOSE WHO

HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE of Christ
mockingblasphemer: Slo, it's boring. But it's good information.
wyattearp: hello mocking
mockingblasphemer: True Yacrezzy, it would make man better than

God.
lil_aussie_angel5: ice tea
Jen: tea is good
b_bops_foz: Jen I have a much better time when the power is out, but

then, I'm odd
literarydiscussions: but.... Augustine won out over Pelagius, and

Augustine in the 5th century basically layed the foundations for the

protestant reformation of the 16th century
Wingnut: hello wyatt
wyattearp: hello wingnut
Jen: thats cool bop
Jen: i think we waste too much time on technology
mockingblasphemer: Literary, it's an interesting arguement, but

inherited sin is an easily seen as unjust to begin with.
b_bops_foz: Seriously, the family stress drops when we have to pull

together and get it done by hand
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Jen: and less time with meaningfull things and family
mockingblasphemer: YO Wyatt.
lil_aussie_angel5: wb
b_bops_foz: I agree!
literarydiscussions: If you want to read Steinbecks novel, "East of

Eden", Steinbeck basically professes a Peligian conception of human

salvation
lil_aussie_angel5: jesus rocks woooohoooooo
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mockingblasphemer: I'll read it. I loved Rands books.
slo_keys: i see ur point about the murder,tell me does the book refer

to the time of constantine for the coming of christianity or is the book

referring to the christianity that appears in the new testsment?
literarydiscussions: Rand?
literarydiscussions: Steinbeck
yacrezzy: so we come to two conclusions one that the original sin is a

myth man made story or that the concept of the orginal sin might be

metaphorical and open for interpetation
Jen: we got tv society bein (IN THE IN CROWD OF THE POPULATION)-

and no real meaning. divorce rate gets higher and higher people think

its the next step in there life
BJ: JESUS HATES THE LITTLE CHILDREN ALL THE CHILDREN OF THE

WORLD RED AND YELLOW BLACK AND WHITE THEY ARE DEVILS IN

HIS SIGHT JESUS HATES THE LITTLE CHILDREN ALL THE CHILDREN OF

THE WORLD
lil_aussie_angel5: bj grow up
Jen: its a true disaster!
Buttfly Mariah: BJ get a new life
Jen: really.
Wingnut: ok what ever you say bj
mockingblasphemer: Yes, but like Steinbeck (I'm assuming) the book

is just a vehicle for Rands Theologies.
b_bops_foz: I think it's natural in a marriage to reach that rocky

point.........but it's best to just keep climbing together
BJ: CHRISTIAN STOP BEING HIPPOS
Wingnut: thank you
literarydiscussions: i havnt the foggiest notion what Steinbeck has to

do with Ayn Rand
BJ: CHIRSTAINS*
lil_aussie_angel5: bj u a hippoponamus ha ha
Buttfly Mariah: the only hippo is you
mockingblasphemer: Slo, it goes back much further to the

foundations of theology and society that were in place. The beliefs

that made the concept of Christianity grow.
BJ: aussie your the biggest whore on the plant
BJ: planet haha faggets
b_bops_foz: True Soar, and that's the reason I think it's too bad

people don't know each other better before they get married these

days
wyattearp: bj your a hippo yupper you are
lil_aussie_angel5: i love u to
BJ: i am so glad
Jen: yupp
Wingnut: well lets see now your the one with the name bj
svitylya: helloooooooo
Buttfly Mariah: YEA BJ is outta here
Buttfly Mariah: lol
slo_keys: well ill see around of this book
tsnowhite_7: HI EVERYONE
mockingblasphemer: Is Steinbeck using his book to show his

philosophy?
love_4_the_day_star_4a: Isaiah 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is

upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings

unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to

proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them

that are bound;
lil_aussie_angel5: bj just looking for attention
mockingblasphemer: Didn't Stienbeck write "Of Mice and Men"?
slo_keys: think so
tsnowhite_7: what is the topic about tonight?
literarydiscussions: yes... "of Mice and Men"
love_4_the_day_star_4a: To proclaim the acceptable year of the

LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that

mourn;
Jen: the topic is whatever you talk about
Jen:
Wingnut: their is almost never a topic
tsnowhite_7: wow that's a wide span
literarydiscussions: and who's fault is that?
Jen: what do you want to talk about??
Wingnut: lol
love_4_the_day_star_4a: To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to

give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the

garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called

trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be

glorified.
b_bops_foz:
tsnowhite_7: love?
mockingblasphemer: Paradice Lost by Milton. Is a book that I should

probably get around to. Has anyone read that one?
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the music man: 19/M/TULSA OK I AM A CHRISTIAN ANYBODY WANNA

CHAT
literarydiscussions: the most interesting thing in Milton, is where

Satan says "Evil, be thou my good"
love_4_the_day_star_4a: Isaiah 61:4
love_4_the_day_star_4a: And they shall build the old wastes, they

shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the waste

cities, the desolations of many generations.
Wingnut: sure i've read all of milltons books lol
mockingblasphemer: Yikes.
tsnowhite_7: i'm confused....i need a little help here
literarydiscussions: since that statement has fascinating implications,

and problems
Jen: what do you need help with
Jen: ?
mockingblasphemer: Literary, Rand's "Fountain Head" was great.
love_4_the_day_star_4a: And strangers shall stand and feed your

flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your

vinedressers.
lil_aussie_angel5: our church just started reading as a group the

purpose driven life. so far very good
slo_keys: no i don't read much anymore,isn't written in very old

english or is it in modern english now like dante
Logic.: The "god" of the Muslims and Christians is an abstract,

amorphous, nondescript, immaterial, ethereal, intangible,

insubstantial, incorporeal, formless, nebulous, mystical, omnipresent,

vague "mass" who has no body parts.
Wingnut: i was just kidding mock never read his work brother
literarydiscussions: many people like Fountainhead, and Atlas

Shrugged,... I could never get into it... and there are things about Ayn

Rands personal life that make it difficult for me to take her seriously
mockingblasphemer: I remember the villain Elsworth saying "Who am

I to claim that I am not a thing that once born Requires forgiveness?"
love_4_the_day_star_4a: But ye shall be named the Priests of the

LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the

riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.
tsnowhite_7: do you think if a church has genuine love the members

will practice it as far as if someone is sick or stays out of church. i'm

talking about a call or sending a card..just plain concern
Jen: snow i think they should..
b_bops_foz: Yes Tsn...........a call at least
Jen: yeah.
love_4_the_day_star_4a: For your shame ye shall have double; and

for confusion they shall rejoice in their portion: therefore in their land

they shall possess the double: everlasting joy shall be unto them.
Wingnut: hello Hatred
Logic.: The "god" of the Muslims and Christians is a being who fills the

entire universe and yet is so small that he can fit in a space the size of

an acorn.
literarydiscussions: all corporate worship is an abomination of

hypocrisy and lip service
lil_aussie_angel5: has anyone read the purpose driven life?
HåT®£d: ello
mockingblasphemer: Rome is on. See you guys tommorow.
b_bops_foz: I grew up in a small town church if you stayed home sick,

they brought you lunch after services
Jen: i need to get back to reading my bible and stay focused satan is

real good at gettin my off track\
Johnny: im back
Wingnut: tc mock
mockingblasphemer: "Care for Others" all else is just small talk.
Johnny: lil aussie i ahve
HåT®£d: tc mock
mockingblasphemer: Goodnight.
Johnny: have
tsnowhite_7: i was attending a small church...and was very active in it

for awhile...but after staying out several months...no calls , cards, or

note from the pastor. that hurts a little
love_4_the_day_star_4a: Isaiah 61:8
Jen: mockin your right
love_4_the_day_star_4a: For I the LORD love judgment, I hate robbery

for burnt offering; and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make

an everlasting covenant with them.
slo_keys: i think orginal sin is bad way to veiw man but never thought

of the idea that when ur born u need forgiveness
lil_aussie_angel5: johnny did u enjoy it?
Jen: white that is very messed up
Jen: hmm
b_bops_foz: That's odd tsn, have you tried a different church?
slo_keys: freaky
love_4_the_day_star_4a: And their seed shall be known among the

Gentiles, and their offspring among the people: all that see them shall

acknowledge them, that they are the seed which the LORD hath

blessed.
HåT®£d: lol slo its the idea of the nature in all humans from

birth to be sinful
Johnny: yeap it gives you a better reality of how you can use the ways

of that book
Jen: keys i think as humans are minds are sinful in one way shape or

form
HåT®£d: thats wat the religionists are talkin about
Johnny: i also read a version of it 4 business too
love_4_the_day_star_4a: I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul

shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of

salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a

bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth

herself with her jewels.
tsnowhite_7: i was a youth director for over 15 years and never

missed calling or checking on someone when they were out...i think if

you have true love for your brothers and sisters that will go with the

territory
Jen: whats the best book in the bible to read?????? do you think
lil_aussie_angel5: we just started last week but im reading ahead and

finding out a lot i didnt know
literarydiscussions: the old testament has a long motif running

through it, regarding "the human heart as deceivful above all things"
literarydiscussions: deceitful
Jen: yeah its very decitful
Jen: very very
love_4_the_day_star_4a: Isaiah 61:11 For as the earth bringeth forth

her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to

spring forth; so the Lord GOD will cause righteousness and praise to

spring forth before all the nations.
tsnowhite_7: i love the new testament...it seems more down to earth
Jen: yeah it really does
tsnowhite_7: i also love psalms.
slo_keys: yes but i never thought of how it means u need forgiveness

from birth onward,just never was in my mind
literarydiscussions: God gave Saul a new hears, before he made him

king, and Saul still messed up, and it says that God REPENTED of

having made Saul king
Jen: i love psalms too
tsnowhite_7: psalms 46
love_4_the_day_star_4a: Isaiah 55:10
love_4_the_day_star_4a: Isaiah 55:10 For as the rain cometh down,
and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth
the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to
the sower, and bread to the eater:
lil_aussie_angel5: today my pastor preached on forgiveing self

b_bops_foz: I always go to Psalms!

literarydiscussions: and in the 51 psalm,... David prays "Create o God
a NEW HEART within me"
Jen: aussie i have a hard time doing that
lil_aussie_angel5: lot of people do
tsnowhite_7: God is our present help in times of trouble
Jen: i like things in the bible that make me change when im done

reading it
love_4_the_day_star_4a: Isaiah 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth

forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall

accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing

whereto I sent it.
Jen: yes he is

slo_keys: i love ps 137,lots of feeling from deep sorrow to hateful
revenge

Jen: im too judgemental
Jen: and i just want to stop being like that
love_4_the_day_star_4a: Psalms 119:105 Thy Word is a lamp unto

my feet and a light unto my path.
Jen: even as a christian i was judgeing
Jen: thats not right of me
slo_keys: why is ps 14 & ps 53 both the same psalm quoted twice?
sunniegirl_2000: hello
tsnowhite_7: i have learned not to judge. or to be judgemental.
lil_aussie_angel5: i dont think we can ever stop learning from Gods

love_4_the_day_star_4a: Now we beseech you, brethren, by the
coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto
him,

literarydiscussions: but that verse, "Lamp unto my feet" and "light

unto my path" seems to stress works, actions, free will choice, rather

than salvation by faith alone
tsnowhite_7: we all are human and make mistakes...we have to grow

and learn from those errors
love_4_the_day_star_4a: 2 Thessalonians 2:2
love_4_the_day_star_4a: That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be

troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as

that the day of Christ is at hand.
Jen: why do guys (males) flirt so much with women and cheat ????
Jen: thats what i want to know
tsnowhite_7: and not keep repeating them
lil_aussie_angel5: i like the verse. greater is he that is in me, than he

that is in the world
lisacopeland21: yall....we do works because we are saved
b_bops_foz: They don't all Jen, and women are just as guilty
lisacopeland21: not to get saved
Jen: yeah they are
Jen: just as guilty
Jen: but males do it more than women
love_4_the_day_star_4a: 2 Thess 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any

means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away
first(falling away=apostacy in the Greek Only one meaning Apostacy),
and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (Satan>>>Son
of perdition Ezekiel 28:18 named in this chapter as prince of Tyrus )

Jen: i guess its sinful heart

Jen: oncve again

literarydiscussions: but, Paul said, "Work out your salvation with fear
and trembling", so how can anyone say "I am saved"

tsnowhite_7: each person knows his or her own heart.

lisacopeland21: Romans

love_4_the_day_star_4a: Who opposeth and exalteth himself above
all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth
in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

literarydiscussions: why would you need to "work out" your salvation,
if you are already saved... and what need for fear, if it is guaranteed

lil_aussie_angel5: im saved cause God said i was

literarydiscussions: but... Paul says differently

lisacopeland21: that is not what it means

literarydiscussions: Jesus clearly states that some come to him and
say, "Lord lord, we worked miracles in your name" and Jesus says, "Go
away I never knew you"... whereas others are quite shocked when
Jesus says "I was hungry and you fed me" and they say "Lord, when
did we do all these things"... and notice, Jesus is mentioning WORKS

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