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Finding a Meaning for the Suffering of the Soul

 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 10:43 pm    Post subject: Finding a Meaning for the Suffering of the Soul Reply with quote

Subject: Finding a Meaning for the Suffering of the Soul


http://www.sulekha.com/chpost.asp...ilosophy&show=0&cid=67553

Psych = Soul
Pathos = Suffering
Logos = Reason

Psychopathology = Finding the Reason for the Suffering of the Soul

from: Practical Jung: Nuts and Bolts of Jungian Psychotherapy, by
Harry A. Wilmer

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http://www.ship.edu/~cgboeree/frankl.html

Frankl insists that, in today's world, there is far too much emphasis
on self reflection. Since Freud, we have been encouraged to look
into ourselves, to dig out our deepest motivations. Frankl even
refers to this tendency as our "collective obsessive neurosis."
(1975, p. 95) Focusing on ourselves this way actually serves to turn
us away from meaning!



For all the interest these techniques have aroused, Frankl insists
that, ultimately, the problems these people face are a matter of
their need for meaning. So, although these and other techniques are
a fine beginning to therapy, they are not by any means the goal.



Perhaps the most significant task for the therapist is to assist the
client in rediscovering the latent religiousness that Frankl believes
exists in each of us. This cannot be pushed, however: "Genuine
religiousness must unfold in its own time. Never can anyone be
forced to it." (1975, p. 72) The therapist must allow the patient
to discover his or her own meanings.



"(H)uman existence -- at least as long as it has not been
neurotically distorted -- is always directed to something, or
someone, other than itself -- be it a meaning to fulfill or another
human being to encounter lovingly." (1975, p. 78) Frankl calls this
self-transcendence, and contrasts it with self-actualization as
Maslow uses the term. Self-actualization, even pleasure and
happiness, are side-effects of self-transcendence and the discovery
of meaning. He quotes Albert Schweitzer: "The only ones among you
who will be really happy are those who have sought and found how to
serve."

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http://www.tearsofllorona.com/jungdefs.html


My life has been permeated and held together by one idea and one
goal: namely, to penetrate into the secret of the personality.
Everything can be explained from this central point, and all my works
relate to this one theme.
-- Memories, Dreams, Reflections


Morality: not imposed from outside, but innate and can even be
unconscious. We have a fundamental urge to connect. Ultimately, it's
our moral qualities that force us to live in harmony with the
unconscious; doing so is the highest form of morality. Morality is
individual; the morality of a group decreases as its size increases.
(In Civilization In Transition, Jung differentates between moral code
and conscience, which is anterior to it. Real conscience comes into
play when two customarily moral ways of behaving collide.) Ethics are
a function of the whole person.



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http://www.gordonbanks.com/gordon/pubs/donjuan.html


While the psychopath has likes and dislikes and fondness for the
pleasures that human company can bring, analysis shows that he is
completely egocentric, valuing others only for their enhancement of
his own pleasure or status. While he gives no real love, he is quite
capable of inspiring love of sometimes fanatical degree in others. He
is generally superficially charming and often makes a striking
impression as possessed of the noblest of human qualities. He makes
friends easily, and is very manipulative, using his ability with
words to talk his way out of trouble. Many psychopaths love to be
admired and bask in the adulation of others. With the lack of love,
there is also a lack of empathy. The psychopath is unable to feel
sorry for others in unfortunate situations or put himself in
another's place, whether or not they have been harmed by him.


The psychopath is remarkably free of both the psychological and
physiological manifestations of anxiety. They often pass lie detector
tests (as did Mark Hofmann), and are well known for their valor in
war, risking their own lives, and often recklessly endangering their
entire units and disobeying orders in the process. It is said that
the decision often comes whether to award a man the Medal of Honor or
to court-martial him, and the "Rambo" stories of former war heros in
trouble with the law have basis in real life. The famous psychopath,
Aaron Burr, directly disobeyed the orders of his superior in winning
a battle and fame during the American revolution. It is
this "bravery" that often helps the psychopath win the affection of
followers and accord him a respected place in society, which is later
disillusioned by his subsequent exploits. Another aspect of the
fearlessness, is the obliviousness of the psychopath to punishment.
Not only does the threat of future punishment have no power to deter
him, but actual punishment does not reform him. Most psychiatrists
consider psychopaths untreatable.


The inability to restrain his impulses is what often leads to the
downfall of the psychopath. While he theoretically knows what is
considered proper behavior, and can even provide sage advice, it is
in carrying out the actual process of living that the psychopath runs
into trouble. There is a tendency toward continual excitement and
stimulation. This impulsiveness may lead to a scandal or to the
commission of a theft, rape, or other crime. It is this obliviousness
to the consequences of risk taking that often leads to the uncovering
of a "successful" psychopath who was previously well esconced as a
doctor, lawyer, teacher, politician, or some other respected person
in the community


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http://www.cyberpsych.com/generalQA.html

http://www.cyberpsych.com/faq.html

Q. What are the disadvantages of being a psychologist?
A. Recently, the main disadvantage is that managed care is changing
the practice of psychology (and medicine). There is a lot more
paperwork, lower fees and a great deal of competition to get on
managed care panels. As one of my colleagues said recently, this
means working more and getting less. This is not unique to
psychology, of course. It seems to be part of a much broader cultural
trend towards "downsizing". Fortunately, there are areas of
psychology that don't depend on insurance reimbursement. In fact,
most of my work doesn't.

Q. What is a typical day like for you?
In a typical day, I might: counsel a depressed or anxious or addicted
person; do an assessment or evaluation by administering, scoring and
interpreting tests; write a report about test results; conduct a
diagnostic interview and history; review career tests with an
executive who has been laid off or a person changing careers; testify
in court; give a seminar; lead a self-help group; work with a couple
having marriage problems; play computer games with a teenager while
we talk about problems in his or her life; counsel someone over the
phone or internet; go to lunch with a referral source; design a
brochure; schedule appointments; file a tax form; check email and
respond to questions; work on writing a book or article; update and
expand my web site; read up on current issues in psychology; consult
with a colleague; and other related activities. Of course, I don't do
all of these every day. Also, I probably do more different things
than most psychologists.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:59 pm    Post subject: psychopathy Reply with quote

Although I - how could I not? - concur with the features noted in the Gordon Banks post, I woukd very much like to add the element of the clinician, having worked actually for years on end now with true psychopaths. I think I may say now that I know what I am talking about. The Cleckley profile (on which Robert Hare based his Psychopathy Check List) is very broadening as to understanding the psychopath, but there is no known method (let alone a methodology) as how to treat them, and even less, how to deal witn them on a day-to-day basis (if one has the misfortune to have one or more on your ward). I do have a few things to tell in this recpect, and hope to hear of some curiosity in readers of this.[/i]
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 6:40 pm    Post subject: I for one am most curious Reply with quote

I for one am most curious to hear everything you have to say.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:45 pm    Post subject: Re: I for one am most curious Reply with quote

Sitaram wrote:
I for one am most curious to hear everything you have to say.

Sitaram...honoured to meet you...I think I do have a few things to say on the matter of psychopaths and how to deal with them (and how to learn from the mess they usually leave when they are gone from your ward). What I have to say might fit into a few sentences, but that would be like reading a telegram to a people in need of an extensive guide on how to deal with their inexplicably difficult fellow-members. It would not help, therefore. I am most willing to tell more, and I ask you where and how to deliver this, as I am not yet familiar with this forum nor with its possibilities and boundaries. Pray let me know what might be most practical and feasible.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just let your mind flow, and speak freely. do not worry about grammar or vocabulary, just get your thoughts down. They can be edited later.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This answers my question about Jung...I think I will go ahead and cut and paste my question and bring it here...

Here it is...
I dabbed into his archetypal theories in the 80s, then later on I learned he was instrumental in helping the movement of Alcoholics Anonymous and its members, and most recently I found out thru an online test that I am an INFP...which, now adding to th eediting, is nothing more I believe than th efamous Myers-Brigg personality test...
I also believe Mr. Jung, or perhaps Dr. Jung? also dealt with the intricate brain processes of brain waves and meditation, but I could be wrong...
curious to know more about Mr. Jung but never bothered to read any of his works...



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