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Prior to his death, he donated Hemingway's Pilar to the Cuban government. He never read The Old Man and the Sea. Sitaram: that is the old cuban man who worked for Hemingway, and was in part a model for the character in the novel In_Pakistan: WOW In_Pakistan: intresting In_Pakistan: what is the old man and sea about Sitaram: an old man is at the end of his rope, cannot catch any more fish In_Pakistan: ? Sitaram: but, he goes out alone.... sort of like Christ... and suffers In_Pakistan: k Sitaram: it is about the tragedy of human endeavor In_Pakistan: ok Sitaram: even in face of great obstacles In_Pakistan: ???? Sitaram: it is about manhood Sitaram: a manhood which knows how to suffer and die for a principle In_Pakistan: k In_Pakistan: what principle? Sitaram: but, his great drama, is all alone, there are no witnesses Sitaram: he DOES catch the biggest fish ever, but the sharks eat it up Sitaram: and he battles the sharks Sitaram: but, his battle is futile Sitaram: so, when he comes back to shore.... all that is left is skeleton of fish, and big fin Sitaram: some tourists pass by and look curiously at the fin, and make some casual remark Sitaram: they do not realize the drama, the heroic struggle and defeat that took place Sitaram: so, that is the greatest part of the tragedy... Sitaram: he was alone, and no one to witness his valor, and greatness Sitaram: at the end, he drops off to sleep, and dreams of the young lions near kilimanjaro mountain, which he saw in his youth In_Pakistan: ??? Sitaram: so, all that are left to him are dream images of a lost youth,... images which symbolize the vigor of youth In_Pakistan: ... Sitaram: for Hemingway the man, the writer, his early victories, successes, were ghosts which haunted him In_Pakistan: ??? Sitaram: rather than rejoice that he had some success,.... he was depressed that he could not constantly out do himself Sitaram: just like, Harper Lee was a one book wonder... won the nobel (or wasit pulitzer) In_Pakistan: meaning? Sitaram: but, never wrote again In_Pakistan: pulitzer Sitaram: so, for years, people criticize her, for never writing again Sitaram: whatever In_Pakistan: ok In_Pakistan: and Sitaram: she made it big with her first and only In_Pakistan: n? Sitaram: but, we life in a world which constantly asks us "what have you done LATELY" Sitaram: so, the artist who lives for art, but defines themselves by public praise,.... is in a cruel bind Sitaram: their successes become albatrosses around their neck, ghosts to haunt them, as they always try to outdo themselves In_Pakistan: Hemingway= saddened because? In_Pakistan: what do you mean outdo themselves Sitaram: and usually.... they sink deeper into alcoholism... like Hemingway,.... and Fitzgerald, and others Sitaram: read the wikipedia article, read the novella, watch the Spencer Tracy movie... and you will begin to understand Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         literarydiscussions.myfreeforum.org Forum Index -> Literature All times are GMT - 5 Hours Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum Showcase----------------You must CONTACT SITARAM directly to JOIN this message boardVoices of Africa UnitedHOW TO JOIN THIS FORUM. Click Join(free!) at upper right. 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