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Sitaram: Sri Venkanteshera temple is largest and one of oldest Mahendra: may be Sitaram: Lord of the World Sitaram: our word Juggernaut comes from that Mahendra: it is of 12 th century Sitaram: i read that it goes back to 9th century Mahendra: Venkateswara is different from jaganath Mahendra: which one Sitaram: i have a whole book on it from india Sitaram: a book on venkanteshera Mahendra: butregarding jagannath we have a separate stream Mahendra: and it is one of the four dhams Sitaram: the enormous cart procession in Puri, i think Mahendra: yes Sitaram: the british saw it and coined the word Juggernaut Mahendra: jagannath Mahendra: yes Sitaram: people died under the wheels, and british thought they were voluntarily casting themselves beneath it Mahendra: it the Ganga kings of south they came to orissa on11th century Mahendra: yes Sitaram: the hare krishna in usa have annual parades, and sing Jaya Jagganath, among many other bhajans Mahendra: yes Sitaram: it is amazing the degree to which Prabhupad (Bhaktivedanta Swami) was successful in america Sitaram: and how long it has lasted Mahendra: jagannathis the synchronisation of vaishnav Sakta, Saura, Ganapatyam Saiva, Buddha jaina, an d tantra Mahendra: yes Mahendra: Bhaktivedanta Swamy Sitaram: he was known as that, and received the name Prabhupad only later, in USA Mahendra: yes Sitaram: he was a good, sincere person.... with never any hint of scandal Mahendra: yes Sitaram: unlike that lizard Osho Rajneesh Mahendra: pure Mahendra: yes Mahendra: he was pure and savior of dharma Mahendra: and preahcing Gita Sitaram: i talked to a woman who spent 6 months at his ashram in oregon when she was 18... Sitaram: and she told me details of the sexual misconduct Sitaram: and she was ruined for life, remaining a sex addict.... Mahendra: and rajnish was different in his logic which was not suitable to Indian people Sitaram: she would travel to Pune, to the ashram there, and have an AIDS test, to prove she is clean, and then enter, and have ritual sex Mahendra: oh In india also, maharani gayatri Devi in1975 went to rajnish ashram and was faced the problem, andshe opened it to all Sitaram: you mean, she exposed it publically Mahendra: yes Sitaram: i like sex, it has its place (mainly in marriage)... but there must be a limit, some boundary... just like food.. food is necessary, but gluttony is bad Mahendra: and there was a news in Illustrated weekly on her experience itwas discussed every where that how the sex is promoted in the name of dharma Mahendra: yes there fore bothfood and sex have its own ccelibacy in rituals Sitaram: well, i understand how tantrics have the 5 forbidding things, meat, sex (mathune), alcohol... and i forget what else Mahendra: kamasutra both speaks of food and sex Sitaram: not forbidding..... FORBIDDEN Mahendra: pancha ma kara Mahendra: five M Sitaram: hare krishna forbid sex even between husband and wife, except to have a child... and then... only once per month... and it must cease once pregnancy starts Sitaram: yes... five M , pancha, i remember Sitaram: but only Methune Sitaram: i only remember methuna Sitaram: our beverage, PUNCH, comes from panch (5 ingredients) Sitaram: and our word pajamas for nigth clothing Mahendra: mada ( pride ,Liquor) mansa( Meat, fish),matsarya(stealing)mithuna( sex) and five one I have to remember Mahendra: yes Sitaram: i am always forgetting such lists Mahendra: how ever this tradition is a perversion for use by some thugs and life of many girls is wasted Mahendra: ok that is to be referred Sitaram: like the 9 devotional exellences... the ninth is atmanivedana Mahendra: I also cant tell u the 10 paths of Buddha Sitaram: sravana kirtna smarana Sitaram: nor can i remember the TEN COMMANDMENTS nor the 12 apostles names Mahendra: yes navadha bhakti- nine devotion Mahendra: yes Mahendra: those are there but f we practice or discuss it that will come in our mind Sitaram: when shabiri asks ram to teach her devotion in tulsidas ramayan... he names the very first as sangha.... association Mahendra: oh I did not know this Mahendra: I have read Valmiki Rammayana and Oriya Sitaram: tulsidas said, one particle of dust associates with the wind, and goes upward to become part of a beautiful cloud, while another associates with rain and becomes mud Mahendra: Savari is a river in Orissa Sitaram: moving downward Mahendra: near dandakaranya Mahendra: oh Mahendra: nice imagery Mahendra: poets were siddha mantradrasta Sitaram: i have here, the writings of the Ashta Chhap poets of.... Sitaram: Vallabh tradition Mahendra: their words are mantra Sitaram: translated by an american who was initiated... Mahendra: oh ok Sitaram: from the Braja dialect Mahendra: vaallabhacharya? Sitaram: he translated Sitaram: yes... Mahendra: oh who is that scholar? Sitaram: Shyam Das is the american Sitaram: i spoke to him once on the telephone... Mahendra: changedhis name? Sitaram: well, undoubtedly Mahendra: another Barbara Lotz of Germany is also working on Braja Sitaram: it is a married lineage Sitaram: and... interestingly, i recently read that their home devotional practice was devised in part, as a solution to Muslim persecution Sitaram: Pushti Marga, devotes itself to the care of Infant Krishna Sitaram: so... it may all take place in the privacy of the home, no temple required... to avoid the muslim persecutors Sitaram: the path of grace Sitaram: pushti marg Mahendra: oh Mahendra: in Braja itself? Sitaram: when i called Shyam das on the phone.... he took it as a sign that i was destined for such worship... and gave me the name of a family where i could go Mahendra: I mean mathura? Sitaram: but i never went Sitaram: it is a dialect Sitaram: a language Mahendra: i know Sitaram: of the Asta Chhap poets Mahendra: brajboli is a dialect of HIndi Mahendra: and a swet language Sitaram: my memory is deteriorating these days (seriously... not a joke)... so some of the things i knew once are fading Mahendra: Hori khelat birajme Mahendra: memory is not detoriorated ,matter is stored in memory, and when required it appears Sitaram: i depend on google to refresh my memory.... Mahendra: that is fine Sitaram: there is nothing left for me to do, but to die one day.... and all my writings shall disappear from the internet.. because no one will bother to keep them alive Sitaram: but... that is unavoidable Mahendra: even Socretes had told that memory is avaialallble with the man peior to his birth Sitaram: Braja Bhasha Sitaram: it is a form of alzheimers deterioriation... well documented Sitaram: no mystery about it Mahendra: oh Mahendra: sitaram wy do u feel that you r knowledge will perish? Sitaram: yes,... certainly... what do you expect... Mahendra: I think you sd not be so pessimistic Mahendra: youarea knowledgable person with vast knowledge Sitaram: because all the young people are SO LAZY... some say...OH I WILL PRESERVE it on the internet.. but they always lose interest and disappear Sitaram: and EVERYONE constantly says....OH SOMEONE will save it... but... that is more laziness... Sitaram: and no one makes the simple effort to archive it... and deploy it on the net after my death Sitaram: i have been dealing with this for 8 years... i know it all too well Sitaram: and to think that someone might actually use my writings to do a study or book of their own... Mahendra: I differ with your ideas, What Bhava bhuti said in his epics, I wrote thie epic , may be people will not reallyunderstand it, but I believe in this Vipulacha prurhi- vast world, some body with equal mind and equal wave line will appear and give life to my poems Mahendra: It is possible to store your ideas and then work on it Mahendra: I can do that, some other friend can do that Sitaram: well.... here is the internet... and what do people use it for... they use it for nonsense and pornography... and not for scholarship Mahendra: 100%correct Sitaram: well... everyone is big on talk... and small on action Mahendra: I have asked any body who is a cultural scholar they tease us Mahendra: yesterday I met one of my guru Mahendra: Dr DebiPrasanna Pattnaik Mahendra: He is a linguist Sitaram: so.. then... find someone in india, and say... LOOK this american did something unusual, and worthwhile... and now he is old and dying.. and it will all disappear.... and then find someone to take up the ball and run with it Mahendra: he is 75 Mahendra: every moment his sugar is fluctuation Sitaram: i dont care if he lives to be 105... the day comes for all of us when we die... and if no one is proactive to plan for preservation of writings, they are lost Mahendra: I said his Sir, now I am 50 and may be now I am notable to work as I was working when 25 Sitaram: so it is utter nonsense to speak of some elderly person who does this, that or the other thing Sitaram: it is just postponeing the inevitable...which we all know will come Sitaram: bottom line.. if no provision is made.. then a lifes work is lost Sitaram: period Sitaram: end of discussion Sitaram: get my point? Mahendra: He said , I am always witnessingthe death, but my concrn is not to wait the death, and not to see what will happen after my death, butI am concern that myposterity must carry forward my ideas Mahendra: listen to me Sitaram: well... i would like to see one young person take an interest in being curator/caretaker of what i created... Sitaram: but they are all too lazy... Mahendra: yourpoint is welcome Sitaram: most of the world offers us rhetoric.... to make us feel better Mahendra: not lazy, that old man is more active than me Mahendra: yes Sitaram: the christians offer us rhetoric about forgiveness, paradise... Mahendra: I understand Mahendra: but one thing sitaram, Sitaram: the muslims offer us rhetoric about rivers of wine, honey, milk, houri virgins Sitaram: the politicians offer us rhetoric about economic improvement, peace... Sitaram: and it is all words, no action , no results Mahendra: That is different. Sitaram: look at my book http://www.toosmallforsupernova.org Sitaram: our sun and solar system will end in 5 billion years.. and no one will bother to do those things which might preserve human culture and life on earth Sitaram: because... they lull themselves to sleep with soothing rhetoric Mahendra: yes Sitaram: someone needs to BITCH-SLAP the world... to wake it up Sitaram: or at least a few people Sitaram: pardon my humor and sarcasm Mahendra: I have known you so I can endure u Sitaram: well, there is a humorous side to all this tragedy Sitaram: the tragedy of human apathy laziness and indifference Mahendra: that is Mahendra: ihave to takesome time Sitaram: it is true that my writings have been in the search engines for some years..... so.... a few people will cut and paste a paragraph here, a page there,.... beg, borrow, and steal.... so that one or two of my ideas will filter into general culture and thinking, after my death Sitaram: so, something is better than nothing Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         literarydiscussions.myfreeforum.org Forum Index -> Dialogues All times are GMT - 5 Hours Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum Showcase----------------You must CONTACT SITARAM directly to JOIN this message boardVoices of Africa UnitedHOW TO JOIN THIS FORUM. 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