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Sitaram · Site Admin Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 1079

Scholar: What is your book about?

Sitaram: Our sun is too small a star to go out as a spectacular supernova explosion.... it would have to be about 8 times larger.... so it will slowly fade away as a white dwarf in 5 billion years. But that will spell the end of our solar system, the end of all human culture and achievement. There are things we could attempt now.... to preserve human culture and species. We could develop cyborg manned ships with artificial intelligence.... loaded with genetic labs with all earth life, and containing all human knowledge and culture. But we make no efforts. We do not care. Five billion years seems so far away

Scholar: Noah’s Ark

Sitaram: My book is also about the human desire for immortality, or immortalization.
We write to be remembered. My book is about postmodernism.

Scholar: You are keen in literature, psychology, astronomy, etc, a self-learner

Sitaram: Yes, it is the only thing which gives my life any meaning
I have learning disabilities which prevent me from ever pursuing any formal advanced degrees. So I am forced to teach myself. I went to an unusual college, where there were no traditional exams but only oral exams and written essays, both of which I do well in.

Scholar: What kind of learning disabilities can a man like you have?

Sitaram: It is a neurological condition. My brain is optimized for a kind of learning and thinking that is not measured by traditional testing. Each human birth is like a genetic toss of the dice. Some people have tremendous potential to fit into the traditional system, but no motivation. Others have motivation, but lack potential. It is not true that "all men are created equal." We should all be equal in the freedom to pursue happiness.
I do not fit in to traditional educational systems, so I am of no value to society, except, possibly, to a few who might read what I post on the internet. Eight years of writing has demonstrated that very few want what I have even when it is free.

Scholar: This is a very harsh affirmation. You should me more optimistic

Sitaram: I am close to 60. My life is almost over. Even if I had what the world wants, the world no longer wants me because of my age.

Scholar: You know some great writers and scientists have become world famous after centuries.

Sitaram: But, you see, those who do fit into the educational system, often become dull insipid bureaucrats, grinding out a lot of numbers and statistics. There is a down side to success in the worldly sense.

Scholar: yes one must always pay a price for everything.

Sitaram: Each of us is dealt a certain hand of cards. It is up to us how we play that hand
Perhaps a few paragraphs of my ideas shall live on after me, on the internet, and influence some peoples lives in some significant way.
If that should happen, it will be enough for me
I shall not have lived in vain

Scholar: You deserve something better. Let me tell u that I really admire you
and you should be an example for me and for everybody else

Sitaram: The world is not fair. Life is not fair. The fool and the clown become wealthy, sometimes, while the wise man and artist suffer in poverty.

Scholar: This is the human condition

Sitaram: Look at the wealthy entertainers who destroy themselves with drugs and alcohol, and commit suicide. Look at the powerful politicians who wind up in jail for small sums in bribes or tax evasion.

Scholar: Have you red Andre Malraux, a French writer?

Malraux said that one needs 60 years to make a real man, a man in the true sense of the word, with no steaming passions, with much experience, knowledge and wisdom, but when that perfect man is fully-fledged he is of no use to society and waits for his extinction,

Sitaram: Yes, indeed, as I approach the age of 60, I often sense the truth of that
His name resembles mal heureux (misfortune?) is that a French term

Scholar: yes, malheureux is the French term for unhappy, miserable as you say. You are right indeed.

Sitaram: In a way, Buddhism was an early form of cognitive therapy.

Scholar: Yes it supported resignation and nothingness. Nirvana and the aspiration to the supreme peace,

Sitaram: but.... in the sense of Viktor Frankl,... our final ultimate freedom, which no one can take from us, is our freedom to choose inwardly how we shall feel about our circumstances, however bleak
Scholar: yes, I know Frankl theories
Scholar: he too has been very much discussed
Scholar: and even repelled at same time
Scholar: some time
Sitaram: now, in the USA, high school children are required to read "Mans Search for Meaning", alongside "Red Badge of Courage" by Stephen Crane, and Mark Twain, and Dickens
Sitaram: it is good that they all read such a book
Scholar: yes it is
Sitaram: Frankl said there was one kitchen worker in the concentration camp, who never looked at the face of each person, to see a friend, relative, countryman,... but served each one equally...
Sitaram: that was a righteous man
Scholar: yes but such men are very rare
Sitaram: was it not Diogenes, who walked the streets in daylight, with his lantern lighted, searching for a just man
Scholar: and always said that he did this because he could never find one
Scholar: painful metaphor but true
Sitaram: the first page of Hobbes Leviathan states, "If men were angels, there would be no need for government"
Scholar: even now
Sitaram: at that message board, I wrote something entitled "The Polity of Angels" (i think)
Scholar: I shall read it
Scholar: promise
Scholar: it must be very interesting
Sitaram: if it is there
Sitaram: I think I remember it
Sitaram: I am searching now
Scholar: I have a question
Sitaram: yes
Scholar: how is it that a man like you enters Yahoo chat?
Scholar: we both know what im talking about
Sitaram: well.... you see... once in a great while, I meet someone such as Aiden, who is a 28 year old medical student in Tehran...
Sitaram: and she is hungry for western knowledge
Sitaram: and, I met Dryfus, who is a Yale senior in biochemistry
Sitaram: and with my screen name, if I lurk there,.... people are attracted.... those few who seek out such things
Scholar: like me for example

Sitaram: it is simply that the worthwhile are few and far between
Sitaram: exactly... just like you
Sitaram: and, if you look at the myspace.com blog.... you will see that yesterday, I met a 22 yr old Pakistani English major, who is very talented in English
Sitaram: he sent me his poetry and prose
Scholar: speaking of which
Sitaram: he learned english as a toddler, by watching cartoons on tv
Sitaram: he writes like a native speaker

Scholar: ya I write too in english and freanch, italian, spanish, portuguese

Sitaram: wonderful
Sitaram: this is good

Scholar: now I learn german, japanese and russian
Scholar: but the first 5 languages are like native to me

Scholar: and I speak romanian too
Sitaram: may I suggest that you join myspace.com and also, put the link to your myspace site in your yahoo profile

Scholar: yes of course

Sitaram: all I know of romanian is "Christos amviat. Adyeverat ambiat"

Scholar: easter

Sitaram: I knew a romanian orthodox priest
Scholar: really?
Scholar: was he from Bucharest?
Sitaram: yes.... but, a native of canada,... perhaps 1st generation
Scholar: oh I see
Sitaram: I doubt that he could hold a conversation in romanian
Sitaram: but, I never inquired of him
Scholar: I speak romanian very good
Scholar: have relatives there
Scholar: and sometimes I go there
Sitaram: I think romanians feel obliged to learn many languages
Scholar: they are very easy learners
Sitaram: listen... tell me... I recently watched the 1985? movie production of Milan Kundera's "The Unbearable Lightness of Being"
Sitaram: and they explained how hard it was to get permission to film anything in communist countries
Sitaram: at that time...
Sitaram: but it was pre-Glasnost
Sitaram: so... now... how free and open are things
Sitaram: by comparison
Sitaram: Kundera is still in exile in France...
Sitaram: I guess his books are still banned in Prague
Scholar: well Romania is a fascinating country
Scholar: a land of the extreme contrasts
Sitaram: I am guessing they are still banned
Scholar: after the 1989 Revolution
Sitaram: I met a literature fan who was in prague, and she said she had never read kundera
Scholar: yes it depends
Scholar: in romania he is barely known
Scholar: but in france people hear of him more often
Scholar: so, I was telling u that after the 1989 revolution in romania, when Ceausescu - the dictator was killed
Sitaram: yes
Scholar: the new public and political power - The National Defendence Front - started the proceess of transition through democracy
Scholar: and yhe media acquired a certain degree of freedom
Scholar: by constitution
Scholar: but from that institutional root - The National Defendance Front - practically stemmed the present political parties
Scholar: the problem is that they proliferate too quick
Scholar: and they fight for power
Sitaram: I see, interesting
Scholar: like in economics
Scholar: the more producers the bigeest a competition
Scholar: biggest competition
Scholar: and they try to gain power through differnt unorthodox means
Sitaram: I must leave the keyboard for about 15 minutes, but shall stay logged in, so keep typing, and I shall read when I return in 15 minutes, since I find this very interesting...
Sitaram: keep typing
Scholar: thats why romania is famous world-wide for its corruption
Scholar: now, coming back to your question concerning the freedom of the media
Scholar: let me tell u that it is free indeed, but there is not very much respected and it is used as a real weapon
Scholar: so, every political party- and they are about 8-10 major ones - uses the media as an instrument to knock-down the other polical parties which aspire to hold the power some day
Scholar: so there is a very interesting situation
Scholar: as the media is free, but not really independent
Scholar: empirically speaking
Scholar: its like a guerilla war
Scholar: and politicians do not hesitate to use the lowest means of annihilating their competition
Scholar: thats why the justice is in chaos, the health system and the education are not properly supported through a decent budget
Scholar: and here u have the bureaucracy and an inflation of corruption and of everything
Scholar: not to mention the fact that the great majority of politicians are incompetent, not really prepared for the new democratic system
Scholar: and now there is no communism, but no real democracy either
Scholar: it is a dangerous system, because constitutionally is called democratic, but in practice it is chaotic
Scholar: based on the survival of the fittest, but not as Darwin said
Scholar: physically and genetically, but counting on the power of wealth and relationships
Scholar: its a sort of legal mafia
Scholar: but u know
Scholar: the best part of the media in this country, stems from a paradox
Scholar: from a negative aspect which can be materialized in its lack of funds
Scholar: as televisions cannot afford to pay actors to double with their voice some foreign films and soap-operas
Scholar: in romanian language
Scholar: they are compelled just to sub-title those foreign movies
Scholar: and this way many romanians learn without even noticing differnt languages, like english or spanish
Sitaram: I am back... very interesting... I am reading now
Scholar: in france things are hot too
Scholar: with the riots in paris
Scholar: the government has made major strategical mistakes concerning labour laws
Scholar: u must have heard about this
Scholar: oh, forgot to mention
Scholar: journalists are treated very bad in romania
Sitaram: unfortunately, I go years at a time without following the news much
Sitaram: so I am often ignorant of many things
Scholar: this is our reality and whether u know it or nor u are still too small to try and mend some issues
Scholar: even if, as Francis Bacon said in his 1598 - Religious Meditations - Knowledge is power
Sitaram: I did hear that Bridgette Bardot is being fined for criticising Islam, and immigration laws
Scholar: Yes, but she is a keen defender of animal right too
Sitaram: Yes, I saw this about animal rights
Scholar: Even if she turns out to suffer of some kind of European disease which is xenophobia.

Sitaram: I like this sentence: it is a dangerous system, because constitutionally is called democratic, but in practice it is chaotic.

Scholar: If napoleon said that in every soldier there is a small general, Marechal as we French say, I think that in every European there lies a small Hitler.

Scholar: as europeans are afraid and sometimes really abhor what is not national

Sitaram: I must confess that I see Islam as a great ideological enemy of human rights, free speech, secular democracy
Scholar: no
Scholar: here too it is a very interesting point to clear up
Scholar: have u red the Coran - al-Quran in Arabic?
Sitaram: I have read it cover to cover in english, by several translators
Sitaram: pickthall is one
Scholar: then u will certainly understand what I ll say
Sitaram: I see it as an extremely evil book.... I see allah as a demon disguised as god...
Sitaram: I see the prophet muhammed as one of the most evil self-serving geniuses ever to defile the earth
Sitaram: I do not mean to offend, but it is impossible to express myself too strongly on this issue
Scholar: yes I understand and respect your opinion
Scholar: but hear me out a little
Sitaram: I see that Islam shall eventually conquer, because the non Islamic world is too ethical to deploy the genocide necessary to check the monster of Islam
Sitaram: and, I see that the Islamic world has no choice for survival but to completely destroy its opposition, by whatever means possible
Sitaram: I have been writing in this fashion since several years prior to the world trade center attack
Scholar: yes here I must agree with u
Sitaram: I do have Muslim internet friends, and they understand my position...
Scholar: but you see there is a problem of interpretation
Sitaram: I will say they tend to be very secular Muslims, not very devout
Scholar: yes indeed
Sitaram: the 5th surah, 52verse says "do not be friends with Christians and Jews, they have each other to be friends with, and he who is friends with them is one of them, and Allah does not help evil doers"
Sitaram: I see little leeway for interpretation in that verse
Sitaram: Say therefore unto the unbeliever, "The god which you worship is not the god which we worship and the god we worship is not the god which you worship, so unto us our god, and unto you your god."
Sitaram: Not much leeway in that one either
Scholar: Yes, but they accept Jesus as a prophet.
Sitaram: To be quite blunt, if the non-Islamic peoples do not strike while the window of opportunity is still open, and totally annihilate all Islamic peoples, and make Arabic an extinct language,... then they are doomed.... and freedom and democracy will become but a dim memory
Sitaram: I would gladly choose death over life in an Islamic theocracy under Sharia
Sitaram: look at the plight of Pamuk Orpan in turkey,... and turkey is liberal and secular as Islamic nations go
Scholar: yes, but the most fanatic ones are the leaders, not the people
Scholar: and leaders encourage terrorism
Sitaram: Muhammed is an obscene, dirty old man taking Ayesha when she is 6, and consummating the marriage when she is 9
Sitaram: I sincerely believe that part of the West’s strategy should be a nuclear strike upon the kaaba and makka, to destroy for all times the 5th pillar of Islam, the Haaj....
Sitaram: After all, Rome destroyed the temple in Jerusalem in 70 C.E.
Sitaram: can you see the tactical value of such a strike...
Sitaram: the 5th pillar gone, forever... what would that say about the Qu'ran...
Scholar: ya, but it is quite dangerous as this should trigger protests
Sitaram: we are as good as dead men anyway...
Sitaram: we must strike while the window of opportunity is still open, the longer we delay, the weaker and more outnumbered we become
Scholar: Imagine if they had been capable of doing what they did on 11 September without any founded reason
Scholar: founded reason
Sitaram: you see.... simply by reproduction, Islam may defeat the world,.... simply by achieving voting majority in each nation which they infiltrate
Sitaram: conquring us by simple demographics
Scholar: I don’t want to think of their reaction if the 5 th pillar is destroyed
Sitaram: hey,.... once it is done, ..... it is done... regardless of the reaction.... it will never come back...
Sitaram: the non Islamic powers are too ignorant to realize what must be done
Scholar: ya, but they could as well trigger the third war, and this time a nuclear one
Sitaram: destruction of the Kaaba at the height of the haaj is the most powerful statement that could possibly be made
Sitaram: well... there shall be nuclear war, come what may.... or some other weapon of mass destruction
Sitaram: there is no doubt in my mind that if various Islamic nations had some means of mass destruction, that they would use it in a heartbeat... with no second thoughts or hesitation
Scholar: then we will end up destroyed one way or the other
Sitaram: it is better if I am honest with you up front
Sitaram: well,.... we shall probably die anyway, or face slavery, so... destruction of the kaaba and makka is one way to have death and defeat with honor and satisfaction
Sitaram: satisfaction in the knowledge that the evil empire of Islam has been forever crippled, even if human life and culture must cease
Scholar: I wonder if there really isn’t another way to defeat them?
Sitaram: I have thought about these things for many years now, and I feel convinced that this is the only way
Sitaram: at my message board, there are two posts....
Sitaram: one is "suicide turned inside out"
Sitaram: the other is "morality vis a vis strategic... something"
Sitaram: I forget
Sitaram: let me look
Sitaram: here is suicide turned inside out http://literarydiscussions.myfreeforum.org/ftopic234.php
Sitaram: here is Morality vis a vis Strategic Military Objectives http://literarydiscussions.myfree...ic900.php&highlight=strategic
Sitaram: there is only one possible way in which it is conceivable that Muslim people may defeat themselves...
Sitaram: and that is their lust for western cultures and freedoms that are Haram
Sitaram: and, secondly, their internal strife, between Sunni, Shia, Kurd, Sufi, etc
Scholar: that is breaching a niche into their beliefs
Scholar: divide et impera
Sitaram: and strive/discord between liberal secular Muslims and conservative/fundamentalist Muslims
Sitaram: divide and conquer
Scholar: this seems more wise
Scholar: wiser indeed
Sitaram: it is ok with me if you are Muslim... I get the feeling that you are, or you would not have started off arguing in favor of interpreting the Qu’ran
Scholar: no no no
Scholar: I am Christian from the top of my head till the top of my toes
Scholar: and I hate what terrorists did in the whole world
Sitaram: Salman Rushdie, in a recent interview, stated that Islam, for its own sake, and for the worlds sake, must reform, and that the reform, if it comes at all, will come from the Muslim diaspora who is surrounded by a multicultural environment
Sitaram: ok... christian it is
Sitaram: Bush was a fool to say , when asked at a conference, that Muslims and christians worship the same god, when the Qu'ran explicitly states, in the "Surah to the Kaphir" that it does not
Scholar: but all I was trying to do was to say that the truth can very often be misled
Scholar: misled
Sitaram: India, when it gained independence, was free to choose any form of government, and it chose secular democracy.... but Pakistan chose Islamic theocracy
Sitaram: no Islamic people can choose democracy, it is not in their nature
Scholar: yes, I totally agree with u here
Scholar: and what u said is true
Scholar: but let me tell u my point of view
Scholar: which is not very far from yours actually
Sitaram: America marches into some country like Vietnam, or pick a nation of your choice, and sets up elections, and expects democracy to flourish, and it is not in the peoples blood and soul
Sitaram: even in India, a leader dies, and they ask the leaders WIFE to serve out the term
Sitaram: that is how Sri Lanka got the worlds first female prime minister
Sitaram: when her husband was assassinated by a buddhist extremist
Sitaram: oh... regarding your remarks about corruption in Romania, seizing power....
Sitaram: regarding George Washington
Sitaram: there was some anniversary recently...
Sitaram: and the comment was made that part of Washington’s greatness was that, after serving his term, he voluntarily returned to private life, and did not seek more power...
Sitaram: because he realized that this new experimental form of government by the people, for the people, must not have a tyranny, or dynasty
Scholar: yes, moderation is everything
Scholar: and this is what most of the politicians do not have
Scholar: nor Muslims indeed
Sitaram: I do admire the Sufis, but I see them as a radical revolt against orthodox islam,.... a striving towards humanism, and something personally transcendent
Sitaram: but my new writer friend in Pakistan, offers Sufis as an argument that Islam is not in conflict with artistic activity...
Scholar: yes, the Sufist problem is very controversial since the beginning of their existence as a social and religious group
Scholar: their history bears some really distinct marks
Sitaram: one sees the origins in Omar Khayam,... in Iran/Persia, which has always been a land of the Parsee/Zoroastrians
Sitaram: and then Jallaludin Rumi, and the Mehvlevi order
Sitaram: but they are an ecstatic devotional extreme which approaches the bhakti of Hindus such as Ramakrishna
Sitaram: Orthodox Islam itself has always been more concerned with orthopraxy than orthodoxy
Scholar: this is the real problem of Muslims: they are too extremist and self-centered
Scholar: and they think that they have the right to rule the world
Scholar: but now let me tell u why I was saying that there is a problem of interpretation here
Sitaram: well, many books on Islam by non Muslims state that the Muslim believes that all non Muslims are squatters, with no rights, and that the world was meant for Muslims, and that it is the will of Allah...
Sitaram: in fact, Karen Armstrong, in her book, A Brief History of Islam, points out that the political ONENESS of the world government/Ummah, is an expression of the unity of god
Scholar: yes, indeed her book is very straightforward
Sitaram: did she convert to Islam?
Scholar: I like this point of view
Sitaram: I meant to google on that
Sitaram: I found this: Karen Armstrong has not converted to Islam because she knows, in her heart of hearts, on which side the bread is buttered.
Sitaram: http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/005849.php
Scholar: Kant once said that the problems of al humanity, philosophically and politically speaking stem from misinterpretation of strikingly obvious facts
Sitaram: interesting... I like Kant
Sitaram: I think he said that, "people must always be an end, and never a means to an end"
Sitaram: something like that
Sitaram: in his ethics
Scholar: and that translators are traitors in a very shrewd way
Scholar: yes, he said so
Scholar: as Italians say tradutorre=tradittore
Sitaram: hmmm... I just found this post at that link: Then she might realize that the Koran is a Cliff's Notes version of the Torah and Bible written by a perverted schizophrenic bully with a learning disability.
Scholar: yes, the origins of the Qu’ran come from those books
Sitaram: the next post mistakenly attributes "Paradise is under the shadow of swords" to the Quran,... but it is that Hadith scholar Bukhari who said that I think
Scholar: actually, jews after leaving their mother land and left in exile in the Arabian countries they took with them their religion which mixed with what Muslims practised at the time
Scholar: and that’s how the Qu’ran emerged
Scholar: but I was telling u about some recent studies
Sitaram: by the way, I post daily at http://www.thebookforum.com/forums
Sitaram: and you should get to know SFG75 there... a brilliant history teacher in mid-West, Nebraska
Scholar: yes, I’ll read him
Scholar: those recent studies brought into light a very interesting issue
Sitaram: yes
Scholar: the fact that some parts of the Qu’ran have been translated in a misleading way in order to enrage non Muslims and worse of all, that even the original Arabic Qu’ran has thus been modified many centuries ago
Sitaram: there have been linguistic studies which demonstrate an impurity in the quran of foreign loan words,... and an inconsistency
Sitaram: and the first caliph had all variant editions of the Qu’ran destroyed
Sitaram: which proves there were variant editions
Scholar: Yes!
Sitaram: and the UAE government is afraid to let archeologists snoop around
Scholar: exactly
Sitaram: for fear they might uncover something which casts some shadow of doubt on Islam and the Qu’ran
Sitaram: look at the furor caused by the simple historical fact of the "satanic verses"
Scholar: exactly
Scholar: this is my point
Scholar: but, wait there is more
Sitaram: and... his character, Rushdie's, Gabreel Farishte..... Farishte is Farsi for "angel"
Sitaram: ok... tell me
Scholar: these studies have unraveled the fact that the Qu’ran as it is known for centuries may be at least partly the invention of some fanatic from around the year 750 who simply considered himself Allah s messenger, and, desiring to be more powerful than Mohhamed, modified the Qu’ran and had the sufficient political and ideological strength to impose his new aberration. A sort of Nero...provoking a fire just for a sick, ego centered purpose
Sitaram: I can believe that
Sitaram: everything boils down to a desire for power
Scholar: and the original may be really positive, proposing peace and mutual respect between religions
Sitaram: but, whenever anyone gets power, it destroys them, because they dont know what to do with power (its proper use)
Scholar: it states also that jihad, the sacred war was not originally meant in a military sense
Scholar: but metaphorically as a war with ones own flaws and intolerance
Sitaram: I have to laugh how Karen Armstrong, in the beginning of her brief history, explains that it was a cultural thing of the time, the only source of money was stealing, which they termed "raids"
Sitaram: so that was how the prophet raised money
Sitaram: like Paul's 'a war within my flesh"
Scholar: yes and conducted wars against non-believers to conquer them
Sitaram: what I will, I do not, and what I will not, that I do
Sitaram: and Paul's "fight the good fight"
Sitaram: I think he said that
Sitaram: 1 Timothy 6:12 Fight the good fight of faith.
Scholar: so, the reason for which I seemed to defend Muslims is this relative presumption
Scholar: but I must confess that they are fanatic
Scholar: and encourage terrorism
Scholar: and that they should be stopped
Sitaram: but, actual military conquest , first of makka, and then, surrounding regions, was very necessary to Muhammad’s game plan
Scholar: above all he was a warrior
Sitaram: I think within 100 years after Muhammad’s death, his forces reached jerusalem
Sitaram: Muhammad was such a snivelling coward...
Sitaram: he worked for an older woman, Kadijah...
Scholar: which he married
Sitaram: whose wealth gave him a start
Sitaram: and he never dared take a second wife while Kadijah was alive
Sitaram: and during one battle, he stayed in his tent, and only came out to toss some pebbles in the direction of the enemy
Sitaram: what a joke
Scholar: yes, but think about what I told u concerning that fanatic who wanted to discredit him
Scholar: it may be possible
Sitaram: no... it is plain and simply history, from their own Hadith
Sitaram: they think its wonderful
Sitaram: wonderful
Scholar: well, I think its horrible then
Scholar: the truth is that invented or not their opinions are dangerous and crazy
Scholar: in many aspects
Sitaram: even muhammeds death is a joke,... he gets poisoned by a jewess that he kidnaps and rapes, killing her family
Sitaram: a cowards death
Sitaram: killed by a woman
Scholar: this is what the victims of terrorist attacks have found out
Scholar: that islam is good for nothing but can turn out to be fatal
Sitaram: and Muhammad sees his adopted son's wife naked, and desires her, so he has a "revelation" in which Allah commands that the adopted son divorce the wife, so that Muhammad can take her
Sitaram: that is why adoption is forbidden in Islam
Scholar: when the twin towers collapsed I felt I hated them
Scholar: so many innocent people had to pay for their histery
Sitaram: http://63.175.194.25/index.php?cs...&QR=10010&dgn=3&dgn=2
Sitaram: forbidden adoption
Sitaram: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adoption_in_Islam
Sitaram: After a term of married life with her husband, We permitted you to marry her so that it may hence be legitimate and morally blameless for a believer to marry the wife of his adopted son provided that wife has already been divorced. That is God's commandment which must be fulfilled (Q.33: 37).
Sitaram: it is in the 33rd Surah
Scholar: Ya, really interesting indeed
Scholar: ok
Scholar: it has been a pleasure talking to u
Scholar: but I have to go
Sitaram: Azar Nafisi... in 'reading lolita in Tehran"... mocks Mohammed
Sitaram: with the opening sentence of "Pride and Prejudice" by Jane Austen
Scholar: here it is late
Scholar: at night
Sitaram: "It is well known that every man, whether rich or poor, must be in need of a nine yr old bride"
Sitaram: night
Sitaram: here 9:11pm
Sitaram: gmt -5
Sitaram: take care
Sitaram: talk to you again
Scholar: ya surely

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