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(free) >   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  Preserving these ideas for posterity          literarydiscussions.myfreeforum.org Forum Index -> Tribal Folklore of India View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Sitaram Site Admin Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 1079 Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:22 pm    Post subject: Preserving these ideas for posterity mahendra mishra: hi sitaram literarydiscussions: yes... hello, nice to see you mahendra mishra: yes mahendra mishra: what new things we have in our literary dis literarydiscussions: here is my latest personal news http://literarydiscussions.myfreeforum.org/ftopic744.php literarydiscussions: I get a few new members each week.... it is slow, but still, growing, and there is a chance literarydiscussions: a CHANCE, POSSIBILITY of success for message board literarydiscussions: I am sure you are very busy with your career and meetings and duties,... but you should try to gradually read through all my writings, during the next year or two... for the simple reason that you may find many ideas which you can make use of... literarydiscussions: in your own work... and you do not have to mention me, or give foot notes or credit.... just use the ideas, if they seem of value mahendra mishra: certainly mahendra mishra: and the efforts u have started will have alasting effect i am sure literarydiscussions: the plain truth is that, one day, in the not distant future, i will be dead, and it seams that no one at all takes enough interest to keep these writings and ideas alive... so they will all disappear mahendra mishra: and i will surely remember u when i will do some work mahendra mishra: oh sitaram it is painful mahendra mishra: pls dont be so futuristic literarydiscussions: so many young people over the past 8 years have paid lip service to some notion of helping to preserve... mahendra mishra: at lelast in indian view death is immortality literarydiscussions: but... they all become distracted... literarydiscussions: and everyone has the idea that SOMEONE ELSE will actually do the work mahendra mishra: i am a person who has given 20 years ofmylife in folklore ideas mahendra mishra: and will be happy to dedicate more of m y time in literature literarydiscussions: my health and my financial security is very poor.... so it is only a matter of several years before i shall no longer be able to maintain these websites and message boards mahendra mishra: but in india for small reasons like getting minimum suport from thgovt mahendra mishra: we fail to pursue our scholarship literarydiscussions: that is why i am happy even if someone would take my ideas or words as their own... so that they might live on after my death mahendra mishra: what amount u spnd for maintaing this web site? mahendra mishra: annually? literarydiscussions: that is of no importance... even if i spend only $10 per year... once i am dead... or in poverty... then ... there shall be no one to make the effort mahendra mishra: I spend 2000rupees for asgp mahendra mishra: annually mahendra mishra: that is important literarydiscussions: it is not an issue of money.... it is a matter of finding one warm, living, youtheful person with enough cleverness to do simple internet stuff mahendra mishra: but one of us will do oit literarydiscussions: money is totally useless without the person who is dedicated mahendra mishra: yes mahendra mishra: ur right literarydiscussions: you cannot do it unless you master some simple skills of html, ftp, internet... etc and phpbb mahendra mishra: and the unending effirts tolive meaningfully forliterature mahendra mishra: it is a hard task really literarydiscussions: there is a tutorial at my site on phpbb... mahendra mishra: I hardly ever seen during last 6years who really maintain such a web site literarydiscussions: it is not actually hard... it just takes some time, and some enthusiasm,... will , desire, determination literarydiscussions: i have done everything on my own... mahendra mishra: oh mahendra mishra: you re doing a great thing for all of us literarydiscussions: unfortunately, our world is filled with rhetoric... empty words, that people throw out, as if they are solutions or answers mahendra mishra: and I relyupon yourleadership literarydiscussions: but it is all empty rhetoric mahendra mishra: may be literarydiscussions: you last words .... no offense,... are a prime example.... I tell you i shall be dead soon... and your reply is "i shall rely upon your leadership" literarydiscussions: so... how are your words a solution... literarydiscussions: but... it is not your fault... literarydiscussions: our world conditions us to such empty rhetoric... mahendra mishra: oh literarydiscussions: even christianity and islam are filled with empty rhetoric of promises literarydiscussions: god will provide, allah is merciful... it shall all work out for the best mahendra mishra: I cant say literarydiscussions: do you see? literarydiscussions: that is more rhetoric literarydiscussions: of course you can say... mahendra mishra: yes that type of things are there mahendra mishra: u r morerealistic literarydiscussions: you can say, Yes Sitaram, you are correct,.... those words that everyone mouths ARE indeed empty rhetoric... and no solution for actual problems mahendra mishra: and upright mahendra mishra: getting words beyond words may be feeling only literarydiscussions: our foolish politicans in every nation are full of such empty rhetoric of meanings phrases and buzz words mahendra mishra: and relying upon ones own mahendra mishra: and may be auto actualisation literarydiscussions: it is very nice for you to say "RELYING UPON ONE'S OWN".... but when i am dead five years from now... what do those words really mean mahendra mishra: that is true literarydiscussions: if you say "i rely upon your leadership" then,... in five years when i am dead, what do those words really mean, and my writing disappear from the internet mahendra mishra: oh mahendra mishra: sitaram mahendra mishra: such thinghappen to me mahendra mishra: Lauri honko literarydiscussions: and even those few who are enthusiastic... will say,,..... "oh do not worry, someone shall pick up the ball and run with it" mahendra mishra: is a professor in Finland mahendra mishra: he was a strong cultural leader mahendra mishra: and passed away on 2002 mahendra mishra: august mahendra mishra: i got a dream mahendra mishra: andd after some day I got his news literarydiscussions: you see,... there is enough material in my 8 years of writing for someone to take up the ball and write about it, consolidate it,... tell my story, dramatize it,... and even make it their own... after my death... mahendra mishra: yes literarydiscussions: but... you see, people are even to lazy and indifferent to be selfish and greedy and work towards such a self-serving end of editorial work mahendra mishra: yes literarydiscussions: and, they are short sighted, because they do not see the potential of taking stewardship of such writings mahendra mishra: yes mahendra mishra: livingfor a cause literarydiscussions: so... with your kind permission, i shall post our edited dialogue... in the hopes that someone shall read it and wake up to what I am saying literarydiscussions: if you do not object... mahendra mishra: no not at all literarydiscussions: since it is only in such living dialogues that my thoughts can come alive spontaneously and find a genuine accurate expression mahendra mishra: I am happy and amazed with your discussion,since I cant think of with out you literarydiscussions: and each important idea neads some CONTEXT, some audience.... mahendra mishra: I cant think of any thing which hurt me, like your absence literarydiscussions: and I CANNOT think of it wihout you... without the context... this is the miracle of DIALECTIC mahendra mishra: yes literarydiscussions: which plato discovered and taught to us in his dialogues with Socrates mahendra mishra: oh literarydiscussions: OH NOOO... literarydiscussions: HELP literarydiscussions: I HAVE LOST ALL OUR TEXT literarydiscussions: YOU MUST SAVE IT NOW literarydiscussions: IN YOUR CHAT literarydiscussions: OR IT SHALL BE GONE FOR GOOD literarydiscussions: DO YOU KNOW HOW TO CUT AND PASTE mahendra mishra: i have saved it literarydiscussions: HAS IT DISAPPEARED ALSO FROM YOUR SIDE? mahendra mishra: no i have saved literarydiscussions: ohhh.. then you must send it to me immediately literarydiscussions: or post it... mahendra mishra: and will save at last also literarydiscussions: do you feel comfortable to post it all right now... literarydiscussions: do you know how mahendra mishra: but as regard to post i will see literarydiscussions: it only takes one second... mahendra mishra: I will do it literarydiscussions: or please email literarydiscussions: right now... mahendra mishra: yes literarydiscussions: to literarydiscussions@yahoo.com literarydiscussions: or sitaram@aol.com literarydiscussions: please literarydiscussions: you see, such simple skills, as posting and email... plus more skills, are necessary to preserve such writings literarydiscussions: but if we lack even the most simple of skills,... then all is hopeless Back to top mkmishra Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 11 Location: Bhubaneswar India Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2005 1:36 pm    Post subject: for posterityperpetuation of ideas beyond time and space mahendra_ku: hi sitaram literarydiscussions: yes... hello, nice to see you mahendra_ku: yes mahendra_ku: what new things we have in our literary dis literarydiscussions: here is my latest personal news http://literarydiscussions.myfreeforum.org/ftopic744.php literarydiscussions: I get a few new members each week.... it is slow, but still, growing, and there is a change literarydiscussions: CHANGE literarydiscussions: error mahendra_ku: what literarydiscussions: not change.... chance literarydiscussions: CHANCE POSSIBILITY of success for message board mahendra_ku: o h yes mahendra_ku: i will see it literarydiscussions: I am sure you are very busy with your career and meetings and duties,... but you should try to gradually read through all my writings, during the next year or two... for the simple reason that you may find many ideas which you can make use of... literarydiscussions: in your own work... and you do not have to mention me, or give foot notes or credit.... just use the ideas, if they seem of value mahendra_ku: certainly mahendra_ku: and the efforts u have started will have alasting effect mahendra_ku: i am sure literarydiscussions: the plain truth is that, one day, in the not distant future, i will be dead, and it seams that no one at all takes enough interest to keep these writings and ideas alive... so they will all disappear mahendra_ku: and i will surely remember u when i will do some work mahendra_ku: oh sitaram mahendra_ku: it is painful mahendra_ku: pls dont be so futuristic literarydiscussions: so many young people over the past 8 years have paid lip service to some notion of helping to preserve... mahendra_ku: at lelast in indian view death is immortality literarydiscussions: but... they all become distracted... literarydiscussions: and everyone has the idea that SOMEONE ELSE will actually do the work mahendra_ku: i am a person who has given 20 years ofmylife in folklore ideas mahendra_ku: and will be happy to dedicate more of m y time in literature literarydiscussions: my health and my financial security is very poor.... so it is only a matter of several years before i shall no longer be able to maintain these websites and message boards mahendra_ku: but in india for small reasons like getting minimum suport from thgovt mahendra_ku: we fail to pursue our scholarship literarydiscussions: that is why i am happy even if someone would take my ideas or words as their own... so that they might live on after my death mahendra_ku: what amount u spnd for maintaing this web site? mahendra_ku: annually? literarydiscussions: that is of no importance... even if i spend only $10 per year... once i am dead... or in poverty... then ... there shall be no one to make the effort mahendra_ku: I spend 2000rupees for asgp mahendra_ku: annually mahendra_ku: that is important literarydiscussions: it is not an issue of money.... it is a matter of finding one warm, living, youtheful person with enough cleverness to do simple internet stuff mahendra_ku: but one of us will do oit literarydiscussions: money is totally useless without the person who is dedicated mahendra_ku: yes mahendra_ku: ur right literarydiscussions: you cannot do it unless you master some simple skills of html, ftp, internet... etc and phpbb mahendra_ku: and the unending effirts tolive meaningfully forliterature mahendra_ku: it is a hard task really literarydiscussions: there is a tutorial at my site on phpbb... mahendra_ku: I hardly ever seen during last 6years who really maintain such a web site literarydiscussions: it is not actually hard... it just takes some time, and some enthusiasm,... will , desire, determination literarydiscussions: i have done everything on my own... mahendra_ku: oh mahendra_ku: you re doing a great thing for all of us literarydiscussions: unfortunately, our world is filled with rhetoric... empty words, that people throw out, as if they are solutions or answers mahendra_ku: and I relyupon yourleadership literarydiscussions: but it is all empty rhetoric mahendra_ku: may be literarydiscussions: you last words .... no offense,... are a prime example.... I tell you i shall be dead soon... and your reply is "i shall rely upon your leadership" literarydiscussions: so... how are your words a solution... literarydiscussions: but... it is not your fault... literarydiscussions: our world conditions us to such empty rhetoric... mahendra_ku: oh literarydiscussions: even christianity and islam are filled with empty rhetoric of promises literarydiscussions: god will provide, allah is merciful... it shall all work out for the best mahendra_ku: I cant say literarydiscussions: do you see? literarydiscussions: that is more rhetoric literarydiscussions: of course you can say... mahendra_ku: yes that type of things are there mahendra_ku: u r morerealistic literarydiscussions: you can say, Yes Sitaram, you are correct,.... those words that everyone mouths ARE indeed empty rhetoric... and no solution for actual problems mahendra_ku: and upright mahendra_ku: getting words beyond words may be feeling only literarydiscussions: our foolish politicans in every nation are full of such empty rhetoric of meanings phrases and buzz words mahendra_ku: and relying upon ones own mahendra_ku: and may be auto actualisation literarydiscussions: it is very nice for you to say "RELYING UPON ONE'S OWN".... but when i am dead five years from now... what do those words really mean mahendra_ku: that is true literarydiscussions: if you say "i rely upon your leadership" then,... in five years when i am dead, what do those words really mean, and my writing disappear from the internet mahendra_ku: oh mahendra_ku: sitaram mahendra_ku: such thinghappen to me mahendra_ku: Lauri honko literarydiscussions: and even those few who are enthusiastic... will say,,..... "oh do not worry, someone shall pick up the ball and run with it" mahendra_ku: is a professor in Finland mahendra_ku: he was a strong cultural leader mahendra_ku: and passed away on 2002 mahendra_ku: august mahendra_ku: i got a dream mahendra_ku: andd after some day I got his news literarydiscussions: you see,... there is enough material in my 8 years of writing for someone to take up the ball and write about it, consolidate it,... tell my story, dramatize it,... and even make it their own... after my death... mahendra_ku: yes literarydiscussions: but... you see, people are even to lazy and indifferent to be selfish and greedy and work towards such a self-serving end of editorial work mahendra_ku: yes literarydiscussions: and, they are short sighted, because they do not see the potential of taking stewardship of such writings mahendra_ku: yes mahendra_ku: livingfor a cause literarydiscussions: so... with your kind permission, i shall post our edited dialogue... in the hopes that someone shall read it and wake up to what I am saying literarydiscussions: if you do not object... mahendra_ku: no not at all literarydiscussions: since it is only in such living dialogues that my thoughts can come alive spontaneously and find a genuine accurate expression mahendra_ku: I am happy and amazed with your discussion,since I cant think of with out you literarydiscussions: and each important idea neads some CONTEXT, some audience.... mahendra_ku: I cant think of any thing which hurt me, like your absence literarydiscussions: and I CANNOT think of it wihout you... without the context... this is the miracle of DIALECTIC mahendra_ku: yes literarydiscussions: which plato discovered and taught to us in his dialogues with Socrates mahendra_ku: oh literarydiscussions: OH NOOO... literarydiscussions: HELP literarydiscussions: I HAVE LOST ALL OUR TEXT literarydiscussions: YOU MUST SAVE IT NOW literarydiscussions: IN YOUR CHAT literarydiscussions: OR IT SHALL BE GONE FOR GOOD literarydiscussions: DO YOU KNOW HOW TO CUT AND PASTE mahendra_ku: i have saved it literarydiscussions: HAS IT DISAPPEARED ALSO FROM YOUR SIDE? mahendra_ku: no i have saved literarydiscussions: ohhh.. then you must send it to me immediately literarydiscussions: or post it... mahendra_ku: and will save at last also literarydiscussions: do you feel comfortable to post it all right now... literarydiscussions: do you know how mahendra_ku: but as regard to post i will see literarydiscussions: it only takes one second... mahendra_ku: I will do it literarydiscussions: or please email literarydiscussions: right now... mahendra_ku: yes literarydiscussions: to literarydiscussions@yahoo.com literarydiscussions: or sitaram@aol.com literarydiscussions: please literarydiscussions: you see, such simple skills, as posting and email... plus more skills, are necessary to preserve such writings literarydiscussions: but if we lack even the most simple of skills,... then all is hopeless literarydiscussions: i am going to check my email right now... and await your sending literarydiscussions: i bet you only THINK that you have the entire chat.... but perhaps it has also disappeared in your side literarydiscussions: as well literarydiscussions: do you see how helpless and hopeless everything is... we discuss preserving years of writings,... but we cannot even save one chat mahendra_ku: dont worry mahendra_ku: I have saved it all literarydiscussions: did you actually save to a disk file mahendra_ku: an sent it to you, literarydiscussions: can you see the very beginning literarydiscussions: where did you send mahendra_ku: Onwards to day aol mahendra_ku: your aol literarydiscussions: ok...let me check mahendra_ku: ok literarydiscussions: what does "onwards today " mean mahendra_ku: sorry mahendra_ku: that i was trying to tellusome ting that Iwll try to postit literarydiscussions: WONDERFUL! success! mahendra_ku: Let me try to post it now mahendra_ku: butin which forum it will fit into? literarydiscussions: how wonderful... you have restored my fiath literarydiscussions: do not worry...now that i have it i may post it right now... literarydiscussions: perhaps in the SHOWCASE... to gain attention and readership mahendra_ku: ok see I had posted many poems in promantic poetry mahendra_ku: yahoo mahendra_ku: so I know a bit mahendra_ku: ok literarydiscussions: http://literarydiscussions.myfreeforum.org/sutra1014.php#1014 literarydiscussions: there it is... but needs my editing mahendra_ku: yes i saw it now mahendra_ku: why it is locked mahendra_ku: to day what u have felt about the members loke us, that we are not serious about our forum, literarydiscussions: oh... because it is a showcase... mahendra_ku: I was thinking the same that I have not posted anynew ideas, though i was thinking of posting multilingual education literarydiscussions: i will repost it in your forum... literarydiscussions: and you may comment mahendra_ku: ok mahendra_ku: I am preparing a short paper mahendra_ku: and then I will post it mahendra_ku: in my forum mahendra_ku: you may edit the discussion and then postit literarydiscussions: there... it is also in your forum... for you to work with mahendra_ku: ok mahendra_ku: wmat is your age now? mahendra_ku: I am 50 literarydiscussions: 56 mahendra_ku: ihave seen the same in my forum also mahendra_ku: but kindly edit it mahendra_ku: you are six years senior mahendra_ku: and I wish that we both can work for coming 20 years literarydiscussions: but.... again... this is meaningless.... suppose i should have 40 more years of life,... and should have adequate financial means.... still and all... at the end of 40 years, i shall die, and if everyone in the world was too lazy to take an interest in these ideas and commit themselves to preserving them, keeping them alive... then... everything will disappear mahendra_ku: yes, mahendra_ku: may be I am thinking different fromu literarydiscussions: so, you see, yet another example of our world's empty rhetoric... to lull ourselves to sleep mahendra_ku: but u r correct mahendra_ku: yes mahendra_ku: I have felt that while I assure to write but dont write mahendra_ku: and understand that i am failing in my work literarydiscussions: i have seen such empty rhetoric over and over and over, in different arenas, from so many people, over the past 8 years mahendra_ku: with many ideas in my mind mahendra_ku: yes and I am sure I am new in this mahendra_ku: so may be many llike me have argued to u literarydiscussions: one hope for our ideas, for their survival after our death,... is if someone will STEAL THEM,... and use them... and they will enter into general thought and culture... just as if we have infant babies, and we must hope that someone will like them enough to KIDNAPP them, and assure some kind of future mahendra_ku: oh yes literarydiscussions: but, you see, such hopes for theft or kidnapping of our brainchildren, means that we have become selfless enough and humble enough to no longer lust after the pride of copyright and credit for authorship and fame and admiration mahendra_ku: it has already happened with me literarydiscussions: my wife just had a kidney transplant yesterday... and this link give the details... so i must log off soon and return to hospital http://literarydiscussions.myfreeforum.org/ftopic744.php mahendra_ku: since I collected many a folklore data from inacesssible areas and many citymen in mystate have used it with out recognisingme literarydiscussions: but you may know of the situation in this link mahendra_ku: Hope your famil y to be upright, literarydiscussions: and, with regard to YOUR work... the tribals are slowly but surely disappearing as civilization spreads mahendra_ku: Pls firstof take careof your famlily mahendra_ku: and then we will discuss tomorrow, mahendra_ku: best of luck mahendra_ku: wish you and your wife be alright _________________ Dr Mahendra K Mishra D-9 Flat , kalpana Area Bhubaneswar 751014 Orissa, india Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         literarydiscussions.myfreeforum.org Forum Index -> Tribal Folklore of India All times are GMT - 5 Hours Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum Showcase----------------You must CONTACT SITARAM directly to JOIN this message boardVoices of Africa UnitedHOW TO JOIN THIS FORUM. 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