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Sitaram · Site Admin Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 1079

Date: Sat May 31, 2003 6:17 pm
Subject: The Genie in the Magic Lamp

http://www.sulekha.com/chpost.asp...ilosophy&show=0&cid=61163

Pralaya - The Destruction of the Universe

http://www.godrealized.com/glossary/Pralaya.html

http://www.comparativereligion.com/avatars.html

The divine incarnation Hinduism and Christianity

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Atma: you kinda jolted me

Sitaram: ?

Atma: reading the first page of your website again, about the dream
you had

http://www.geocities.com/tulsidas_ramayan/page001.htm

"A Hindu Dream - Seeing God"

Sitaram: Yes, that dream started me on the road to learning HTML (the
little I know) and creating the entire website

Atma: Quite a strange dream

Atma: How did you feel after you woke up?

Sitaram: Quite startled and shocked

Atma: Any pleasant feelings?

Sitaram: Well, I felt flattered, and unworthy

Atma: You are very well versed in Christianity and Judaism?

Sitaram: True, I know many things about those religions

Atma: Reading this dream of yours reminded me of a dream I had..but I
don't know what to make of it

Sitaram: Yes, tell me about it

Atma: This was one different kind of a dream...very clear, extra
clear..more clear than clear. I remember every frame of it, which
is unlike other dreams

It starts with a view of the sky in the night.

My gaze is on the universe above me, and I see stars as bright as
they can be. Its all pleasant.

Then suddenly, the stars start gathering: in some kind of a
formation, and it gets closer and closer to earth.

Its hurtling at great speed towards earth, a huge ball of fire.

And the next moment, there is total destruction around me, but in
some strange way not affecting me, but everything else about me is
destroyed

The whole world is flat now, reduced to ashes, and its all dark,
and I am still watching, not a bit afraid (which is kinda
strange) after watching so much destruction

And then something happens, the ashes start to move at places around
me, some things are emerging

They are radiant, fluorescent, kinda a greenish bluish tinge to
them, : glass like, kinda transparent

They keep emerging, from everywhere, they have human forms, the
best it can be

Their perfect bodies, like the Roman sculptures

But something is peculiar

They have wings on their backs, folded though
and they silently emerge

It was so beautiful to watch them, and they are standing there
silently
and something else appears, its the top of a cross and it keeps
emerging, with Jesus attached to it and he is the same hue as them

That's all I remember

Sitaram: Pralaya - The Destruction of the Universe

http://www.godrealized.com/glossary/Pralaya.html

Sitaram: I just found that with google search

Atma: I don't get it why Jesus, I don't even worship him. I am a
devout Hindu. And who are those chaps around him??

Sitaram: hmmm.... I am searching now on Pralaya Jesus cross

Atma: but the thing was ... I felt bliss after this dream, felt
happy to the core

Sitaram: http://www.comparativereligion.com/avatars.html

Sitaram: The divine incarnation Hinduism and Christianity

Atma: I kinda want to say its a vision I had, but not sure

Sitaram: Sounds to me like a genuine vision

Atma: and it really gets me why a Hindu like me gets a Christ vision

Sitaram: My dream had Jesus, Buddha and Krishna in the cloud, in
addition to other figures which could not be recognized

Atma: hmm, I tend to take Krishna at the same level as Jesus and
Buddha too

Atma: not as the supreme God himself

Atma: That's how my logical mind works, I tend to see him more as a
mortal human with a purpose, but I am not to matured to comprehend
all this yet

Sitaram: so, we seem to experience and share similar visions

Atma: but yours was more positive if I can say

Atma: but sir what do you make of it?? My dream that is, am I
supposed to do something

Sitaram: Here is an interesting site

Sitaram: The Ark is a symbol of the human body floating upon
the `waters' of energy in space (note: up to the Third eye is the
region of the element `water' and dissolution up to here known as
water-dissolution or `Jala Pralaya'; the Upanishadic concept of
creation also mentions the churning of the sea or `Samundra manthan')
containing all the animal qualities, out of which the lower creation
emerges. Noah is the soul floating in this ark.

Sitaram:

http://spirits_quest.tripod.com/Rel_Ent.htm

Atma: OK I'll read it

Atma: Never thought of getting answers on the net like this

Atma: I kinda don't trust what's put up here

Sitaram: Yes.... I do this all the time

Sitaram: But, I also am on net

Sitaram: Mixture of truth and falsehood, good and evil

Sitaram: One must sift and sort

Atma: ya

Atma: that I have yet to learn

Atma: one can only do that when one has some knowledge about it

Atma: blank boards like me will suck up everything and take it for
granted

Atma: every content should come with a verisign mark ..hahaha

Sitaram: yes

Atma: Most of the real content is tampered with to suit ones notions
about things on the net

Atma: Essentially, what this science states is that God's creation
and beyond is like an 8-floored mansion. The mission of life is to
reach the 8th floor (which is really the terrace- open to the
spiritual firmament!).

Sitaram:

http://members.aol.com/Cabala111/111-3-1.html

Sitaram: The Tree of Life

Sitaram: The reader is called upon to recall the mystic Eastern
concept of the Days and Nights of Brahma, where after a Day of
Manifestation or Manvantara ( and eternity by our standards) the
whole universe is withdrawn back unto its source, and sleeps in the
Night of Pralaya. This absolute Darkness of Non-Being is yet another
metaphor for Negative Existence; and even though we might say that
this unlimited and therefore pure Existence is Not, It truly is, even
though It is Unmanifest. Since It is the primordial source from which
all manifestation arises, said manifestation being finite and
limited, It is the only true reality; all manifestation being but the
phenomenal, changing, evolving, unstable, ephemeral, and thereby
illusory appearance and disappearance - becoming and By-coming - of
Its ineffable omnipresence. Therefore, anything we might say about It
is but a temporal description; and since this description is
undeniably a phenomenal manifestation, we cannot possibly describe
the noumenal Unmanifest in any form or fashion.

The Father-Mother are the male and female principles in root-nature,
the opposite poles that manifest in all things on every plane in the
Kosmos, or Spirit and Substance, in a less allegorical aspect, the
resultant of which is the Universe, or the Son. They are "once more
one" when in the "Night of Brahma" during Pralaya, all in the
objective Universe has returned to its one primal and eternal cause,
to reappear at the following Dawn- as it does periodically. "Karma" -
eternal cause, was alone. To put it more plainly: Karana is alone
during the "Night of Brahma". The previous objective Universe has
dissolved into its one primal and eternal cause, and is, so to say,
held in solution in space, to differentiate again and crystallize out
anew at the following Manvantaric dawn, which is the commencement of
a new "Day" or new activity of Brahma - the symbol of the Universe.
In esoteric parlance, Brahma is father -Mother-Son, or Spirit, Soul
and Body at once; each personage symbolical of an attribute, and each
attribute or quality being a graduated efflux of divine Breath in its
cyclic differentiation, involutionary and evolutionary. In the
cosmicophysical sense, it is the Universe, the planetary chain and
the earth; in the purely spiritual, the Unknown Deity, Planetary
Spirit, and Man

Atma: My IQ is not good enough to understand half the words these
people are saying, but I get it .. destruction and creation are cyclic

Sitaram: Such websites look interesting

Atma: mindboggling for me I must say

Atma: omg , look what I found

Sitaram: ?

Atma: http://www.cynet.com/Jesus/Prophecy/ANGELS.HTM

Atma: Matthew 16:27 (NIV) For the Son of Man is going to come in his
Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person
according to what he has done.

Atma: godddddd

Sitaram: you mean, its like your dream

Atma: yessssss

Atma: The fact that it is the angels that come with Jesus at His
Second Coming further clarifies when and how He comes. These
Scriptures again sew all prophetic passages into one.

Atma: look at thatt

Atma: second coming of Jesus

Sitaram: yes, I see

Atma: they call it Armageddon something

Sitaram: yes Armageddon

Atma: OK this is scary now

Atma: And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in
the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity;
the sea and the waves roaring;

Atma: Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those
things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall
be shaken.

Atma: And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with
power and great glory.

And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift
up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. Luke 21:25-28.

Sitaram: yes, interesting

Atma: OK I am talking like a Christian now lol

Atma: dammm it

Sitaram: ha ha, does that mean you will not keep my website alive?

Atma: hahahaa

Atma: <<<is a Hindu to the core

Sitaram: and yet, in a sense, my website converted you, ha ha

Atma: converted me, NO WAYYY!!!
Atma: I hate those missionary expletives-deleted (*&^^%&^%!! )

Atma: maybe I must have read all these stuff somewhere and it would
have been there in my sub conscious mind

Atma: to get out as a dream
Atma: mind is a weird thing

Sitaram: Perhaps Jesus has no connection with what we see as
Christians in the world,..... perhaps Jesus has more connection with
Hinduism

Sitaram: I don't know

Atma: aah

Sitaram: Christians in this world do not seem very Christian or
Christ-Like

Atma: Possibly, Jesus got all his knowledge from India ... there are
stories of him visiting Kashmir

Atma: am not sure of that

Atma: but these stories are floating

Sitaram: I am not certain about such matters

Atma: they even say...Jesus after crucifixion was still alive and was
taken back to this place for the rest of his life where he died a
natural death

Atma: Damn I need a time machine to know all these things happened
for sure ..hahaha

Sitaram: Perhaps everything, Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, Christian,
springs forth from what Carl Jung called "the Collective
Consciousness"

Atma: What does that mean? Collective consciousness?

Sitaram: A primordial memory inherent in all matter, which manifests
in every mythology of every culture of every age, and in our dreams

Atma: oh, wow

Sitaram: correction... Jung's Collective Unconsciousness

Sitaram: http://religions.myztek.com/holbrook/colluncon.htm

Atma: since when you started taking interest in all these things in
your life?

Sitaram: Jung believed that there was a deeper and more significant
layer of the unconscious, which he called the collective unconscious,
with what he identified as archetypes, which he believed were innate,
unconscious, and generally universal. Jung's collective unconscious
has been described as a "storehouse of latent memory traces inherited
from man's ancestral past, a past that includes not only the racial
history of man as a separate species but his pre-human or animal
ancestry as well."

Therefore, Jung's theory incorporates Darwin's theory of evolution as
well as ancient mythology. Jung taught that this collective
unconscious is shared by all people and is therefore universal.
However, since it is unconscious, not all people are able to tap into
it. Jung saw the collective unconscious as the foundational structure
of personality on which the personal unconscious and the ego are
built. Because he believed that the foundations of personality are
ancestral and universal, he studied religions, mythology, rituals,
symbols, dreams and visions. He says:

All esoteric teachings seek to apprehend the unseen happenings in the
psyche, and all claim supreme authority for themselves. What is true
of primitive lore is true in even higher degree of the ruling world
religions. They contain a revealed knowledge that was originally
hidden, and they set forth the secrets of the soul in glorious images.

Atma: hmm interesting

Sitaram: http://skepdic.com/jung.html

Atma: I think ill grow old in one day reading all the URLs you gave me

Sitaram: Synchronicity is an explanatory principle; it
explains "meaningful coincidences" such as a beetle flying into his
room while a patient was describing a dream about a scarab. The
scarab is an Egyptian symbol of rebirth, he noted. Therefore, the
propitious moment of the flying beetle indicated that the
transcendental meaning of both the scarab in the dream and the insect
in the room was that the patient needed to be liberated from her
excessive rationalism

His notion of synchronicity is that there is an acausal principle
that links events having a similar meaning by their coincidence in
time rather than sequentially. He claimed that there is a synchrony
between the mind and the phenomenal world of perception.

What evidence is there for synchronicity? None. Jung's defense is so
inane I hesitate to repeat it. He argues that "acausal phenomena must
exist...since statistics are only possible anyway if there are also
exceptions" (1973, Letters, 2:426). He asserts that "...improbable
facts exist--otherwise there would be no statistical mean..." (ibid.:
2:374). Finally, he claims that "the premise of probability
simultaneously postulates the existence of the improbable" (ibid. :
2:540).

Atma: Wow

Sitaram: According to psychiatrist and author, Anthony Storr, Jung
went through a period of mental illness during which he thought he
was a prophet with "special insight." Jung referred to his "creative
illness" (between 1913-1917) as a voluntary confrontation with the
unconscious. His great "insight" was that he thought all his patients
over 35 suffered from "loss of religion" and he had just the thing to
fill up their empty, aimless, senseless lives: his own metaphysical
system of archetypes and the collective unconscious

Sitaram: Mythology, Jung claimed, bases its stories on the
archetypes. Mythology is the reservoir of deep, hidden wondrous
truths. Dreams and psychological crises, fevers and derangement,
chance encounters resonating with "meaningful coincidences," all are
gateways to the collective unconscious, which is ready to restore the
individual psyche to health with its insights. Jung maintained that
these metaphysical notions are scientifically grounded, but they are
not empirically testable in any meaningful way

Sitaram: http://skepdic.com/jung.html

Atma: every story has its two sides of the coin . What do you think
Jung was?

Sitaram: Jung was a great mind

Atma: Does Islam talk about worlds destruction too?

Sitaram: I think so, yes, a second coming, judgment etc

Atma: OK
Atma: but I don't get one thing... the cycle... of destruction ...
why is the human at the tail end of it

Atma: almost to the last second of the day he arrived on this earth

Sitaram: yes

Atma: at the end of the day comes a species who is aware of the
supreme power

Sitaram: yes.. interesting

Atma: what was the supreme power doing 90% of the time

Sitaram: in Gita, lord Krishna says, "I am active every moment,
preserving countless worlds/beings

Atma: you mean like parallel universes at the same point of time in a
different space?

Sitaram: Yes, like many black holes, and inside each black hole,
another universe like ours, expanding reimannian time-space
continuum, and we ourselves are in a black-hole universe

Sitaram: Gita chapter 7, verse 7, "all these many universe are strung
upon me as pearls upon a thread (sutra)"

Sitaram: from which we get word "suture" in surgery, to sew up wounds

Atma: Black pearls he mentions ?? or just pearls?

Sitaram: Just pearls...no mention of "black"

Atma: tough to comprehend all this, pheww

Atma: my brain already feels spongy now, lol

Sitaram: Do you feel that your copy of my website seems fully
functional, that I successfully sent you all files

Atma: I have gone thru pages, most are working, though I cant hear
any music being played,..is there any??

Sitaram: yes, music on pg 1, pg 14 for sure

Atma: I have unzipped the music file to in that haifd folder
Atma: oh OK

Sitaram: and one other page, cant remember, 2 or 3

Atma: let me try that

Sitaram: page 14

Atma: aahh nice, got it, its playing

Sitaram: let me know if you can translate words in song on page 14

Sitaram: aum namo....

Sitaram: those two I understand

Atma: cant make out, some chant something, its not clearly audible

Atma: kalyanam
Atma: sadhu

Atma: kesho pancho

Atma: muktanam

Atma: some shloka

Sitaram: one word i remember ... sidkaram

Atma: Have you ever chanted hanuman chalisa??

Sitaram: I have listened, have not chanted

Atma: OK
Atma: i have it as a song
Atma: as a bhajan
Atma: but it is way too big to be sent by email

Atma: u know .. yesterday, I was walking home 12:30 in the night

Atma: tired like hell, sleepy

Atma: and there was just one more man walking front of me

Atma: looked kinda old, 50 something, he had a heavier bag than me
on his shoulders

Atma: as I got closer to him, I heard him ... he was talking to
himself. He was reciting the whole Ram charitra manas (The Holy Lake
of the Acts of Ram) in folk lore form. I listened to the part where
Ram and Sita are moving into the forest, and he was singing in
between. He didn't even notice me walking close by him. He was
content with himself. Enjoying what he was doing. The distance he
had to walk oblivious to him. He was so happy.

Sitaram: fascinating

Atma: Sorry am just blurting things out. Just wanted to share this
with u

Sitaram: No, this is very good, very useful

Atma: Well, all I could understand was he was too much into the name
of God. A poor man ..looked like a villager. But I envied him

Sitaram: These are very important observations

Atma: Let me take your leave now

Sitaram: Yes, thanks so much for these valuable observations, worthy
of posting to share with others

Sitaram: Both your dream, and the man reciting Ramayan, very
valuable, very inspiring

Atma: I came here to absorb from you as much as I could

Sitaram: You see, you may have a gift, the gift to not simply
preserve my website, but to continue as another Sitaram. It is not
impossible...

Sitaram: What you have told me today, the dream, your experiences,
shows great possibility and promise

Sitaram: You see, each of us is consciousness, and our consciousness
taps into that same reservoir from where dreams and religions come

Atma: My only aim was to help you ..in that I wany to do all that is
possible for me

Sitaram: yes... take care... thanks a million for the help

Atma: and take care

Sitaram: I feel some sense of relief that you have full working copy
of website

Atma: I will treasure it

Sitaram: Thank you for keeping my spirit alive

Sitaram: Like the genii in the bottle (in the stories). When someone
rubs the bottle, the genie comes to life. This is where we get word
genius too I think.

Atma: Never thought of that

Sitaram: Me neither, until just now

Atma: namaste, _/\_

Sitaram: namaste, _/\_

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Jnani, Genii, Genius, Jinn

http://home.earthlink.net/~homeline/genie.htm

genie

NOUN :

1. A supernatural creature who does one's bidding when summoned. 2. A
jinni.

ETYMOLOGY:

French génie, spirit, from Latin genius, guardian spirit. See GENIUS

http://www.bartleby.com/61/57/G0085700.html

a. Extraordinary intellectual and creative power. b. A person of
extraordinary intellect and talent: "One is not born a genius, one
becomes a genius" (Simone de Beauvoir) c. A person who has an
exceptionally high intelligence quotient, typically above 140. 2. a.
A strong natural talent, aptitude, or inclination: "has a genius for
choosing the right words." b. One who has such a talent or
inclination: "a genius at diplomacy." 3. The prevailing spirit or
distinctive character, as of a place, a person, or an era: "the
genius of Elizabethan England." 4. Inflected forms: pl. ge·ni·i (j
´n - ´´)

Roman Mythology A tutelary deity or guardian spirit of a person or
place. 5. A person who has great influence over another. 6. A jinni
in Muslim mythology.

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