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Certain features may be unavailable. mahendra mishra: hi sitaram mahendra mishra: how r u? literarydiscussions: nice to see you mahendra mishra: I just came from Puri mahendra mishra: the Jagannath Temple literarydiscussions: Jaya Jagganith literarydiscussions: Jagganath mahendra mishra: a sacred centers out of four dham in the country mahendra mishra: ys mahendra mishra: do ukow about jagannath? literarydiscussions: Sri Venkanteshera temple is largest and one of oldest mahendra mishra: may be literarydiscussions: Lord of the World literarydiscussions: our word Juggernaut comes from that mahendra mishra: it is of 12 th century literarydiscussions: i read that it goes back to 9th century mahendra mishra: Venkateswara is different from jaganath mahendra mishra: which one literarydiscussions: i have a whole book on it from india literarydiscussions: a book on venkanteshera mahendra mishra: butregarding jagannath we have a separate stream mahendra mishra: and it is one of the four dhams literarydiscussions: the enormous cart procession in Puri, i think mahendra mishra: yes literarydiscussions: the british saw it and coined the word Juggernaut mahendra mishra: jagannath mahendra mishra: yes literarydiscussions: people died under the wheels, and british thought they were voluntarily casting themselves beneath it mahendra mishra: it the Ganga kings of south they came to orissa on11th century mahendra mishra: yes literarydiscussions: the hare krishna in usa have annual parades, and sing Jaya Jagganath, among many other bhajans mahendra mishra: yes literarydiscussions: it is amazing the degree to which Prabhupad (Bhaktivedanta Swami) was successful in america literarydiscussions: and how long it has lasted mahendra mishra: jagannathis the synchronisation of vaishnav Sakta, Saura, Ganapatyam Saiva, Buddha jaina, an d tantra mahendra mishra: yes mahendra mishra: Bhaktivedanta Swamy literarydiscussions: he was known as that, and received the name Prabhupad only later, in USA mahendra mishra: yes literarydiscussions: he was a good, sincere person.... with never any hint of scandal mahendra mishra: yes mahendra mishra: pure literarydiscussions: unlike that lizard Osho Rajneesh mahendra mishra: yes mahendra mishra: he was pure and savior of dharma mahendra mishra: and preahcing Gita literarydiscussions: i talked to a woman who spent 6 months at his ashram in oregon when she was 18... literarydiscussions: and she told me details of the sexual misconduct literarydiscussions: and she was ruined for life, remaining a sex addict.... mahendra mishra: and rajnish was different in his logic which was not suitable to Indian people literarydiscussions: she would travel to Pune, to the ashram there, and have an AIDS test, to prove she is clean, and then enter, and have ritual sex mahendra mishra: oh In india also, maharani gayatri Devi in1975 went to rajnish ashram and was faced the problem, andshe opened it to all literarydiscussions: you mean, she exposed it publically mahendra mishra: yes literarydiscussions: i like sex, it has its place (mainly in marriage)... but there must be a limit, some boundary... just like food.. food is necessary, but gluttony is bad mahendra mishra: and there was a news in Illustrated weekly on her experience itwas discussed every where that how the sex is promoted in the name of dharma mahendra mishra: yes there fore bothfood and sex have its own ccelibacy in rituals literarydiscussions: well, i understand how tantrics have the 5 forbidding things, meat, sex (mathune), alcohol... and i forget what else mahendra mishra: kamasutra both speaks of food and sex literarydiscussions: not forbidding..... FORBIDDEN mahendra mishra: pancha ma kara mahendra mishra: five M literarydiscussions: hare krishna forbid sex even between husband and wife, except to have a child... and then... only once per month... and it must cease once pregnancy starts literarydiscussions: yes... five M , pancha, i remember literarydiscussions: but only Methune literarydiscussions: i only remember methuna literarydiscussions: our beverage, PUNCH, comes from panch (5 ingredients) literarydiscussions: and our word pajamas for nigth clothing mahendra mishra: mada ( pride ,Liquor) mansa( Meat, fish),matsarya(stealing)mithuna( sex) and five one I have to remember mahendra mishra: yes literarydiscussions: i am always forgetting such lists mahendra mishra: how ever this tradition isn in pervertion for used by some htugs and life of many girls is wasted mahendra mishra: ok that is to be referred literarydiscussions: like the 9 devotional exellences... the ninth is atmanivedana mahendra mishra: I also cant tell u the 10 paths of Buddha literarydiscussions: sravana kirtna smarana literarydiscussions: nor can i remember the TEN COMMANDMENTS nor the 12 apostles names mahendra mishra: yes navadha bhakti- nine devotion mahendra mishra: yes mahendra mishra: those are there but f we practice or discuss it that will come in our mind literarydiscussions: when shabiri asks ram to teach her devotion in tulsidas ramayan... he names the very first as sangha.... association mahendra mishra: oh I did not know this mahendra mishra: I have read Valmiki Rammayana and Oriya mahendra mishra: Savari is a river in Orissa literarydiscussions: tulsidas said, one paritcle of dust associates with the wind, and goes upward to become part of a beautiful cloud, while another associates with rain and becomes mud literarydiscussions: moving downward mahendra mishra: near dandakaranya mahendra mishra: oh mahendra mishra: nice imagiination mahendra mishra: poets were siddha mantradrasta literarydiscussions: i have here, the writings of the Ashta Chhap poets of.... literarydiscussions: Vallabh tradition mahendra mishra: their words are mantra literarydiscussions: translated by an american who was initiated... mahendra mishra: oh ok literarydiscussions: from the Braja dialect mahendra mishra: vaallabhacharya? literarydiscussions: he translated literarydiscussions: yes... mahendra mishra: oh who is that scholar? literarydiscussions: Shyam Das is the american literarydiscussions: i spoke to him once on the telephone... mahendra mishra: changedhis name? literarydiscussions: well, undoubtedly mahendra mishra: anotherbarbara Lotz of germanyis also working on Braja literarydiscussions: it is a married lineage literarydiscussions: and... interestingly, i recently read that their home devotional practice was devised in part, as a solution to muslim persecution literarydiscussions: Pushti Marga, devotes itself to the care of Infant Krishna literarydiscussions: so... it may all take place in the privacy of the home, no temple required... to avoid the muslim persecutors literarydiscussions: the path of grace literarydiscussions: pushti marg mahendra mishra: oh mahendra mishra: in Braja itself? literarydiscussions: when i called Shyam das on the phone.... he took it as a sign that i was destined for such worship... and gave me the name of a family where i could go mahendra mishra: I mean mathura? literarydiscussions: but i never went literarydiscussions: it is a dialect literarydiscussions: a language mahendra mishra: i know literarydiscussions: of the Asta Chhap poets mahendra mishra: brajboli is a dialect of HIndi mahendra mishra: and a swet language literarydiscussions: my memory is deteriorating these days (seriously... not a joke)... so some of the things i knew once are fading mahendra mishra: Hori khelat birajme mahendra mishra: memory is not detoriorated ,matter is stored in memory, and when required it appears literarydiscussions: i depend on google to refresh my memory.... mahendra mishra: that is fine literarydiscussions: there is nothing left for me to do, but to die one day.... and all my writings shall disappear from the internet.. because no one will bother to keep them alive literarydiscussions: but... that is unavoidable mahendra mishra: even Socretes had told that memory is avaialallble with the man peior to his birth literarydiscussions: Braja Bhasha literarydiscussions: it is a form of alzheimers deterioriation... well documented literarydiscussions: no mystery about it mahendra mishra: oh mahendra mishra: sitaram wy do u feel that you r knowledge will perish? literarydiscussions: yes,... certainly... what do you expect... mahendra mishra: I think you sd not be so pessimistic mahendra mishra: youarea knowledgable person with vast knowledge literarydiscussions: because all the young people are SO LAZY... some say...OH I WILL PRESERVE it on the internet.. but they always lose interest and disappear literarydiscussions: and EVERYONE constantly says....OH SOMEONE will save it... but... that is more laziness... literarydiscussions: and no one makes the simple effort to archive it... and deploy it on the net after my death literarydiscussions: i have been dealing with this for 8 years... i know it all too well literarydiscussions: and to think that someone might actually use my writings to do a study or book of their own... mahendra mishra: I differ with your ideas, What Bhava bhuti said in his epics, I wrote thie epic , may be people will not reallyunderstand it, but I believe in this Vipulacha prurhi- vast world, some body with equal mind and equal wave line will appear and give life to my poems mahendra mishra: It is possible to store your ideas and then work on it mahendra mishra: I can do that, some other friend can do that literarydiscussions: well.... here is the internet... and what do people use it for... they use it for nonsense and pornography... and not for scholarship mahendra mishra: 100%correct literarydiscussions: well... everyone is big on talk... and small on action mahendra mishra: I have asked any body who is a cultural scholar they tease us mahendra mishra: yesterday I met one of my guru mahendra mishra: Dr DebiPrasanna Pattnaik mahendra mishra: He is a linguist literarydiscussions: so.. then... find someone in india, and say... LOOK this american did something unusual, and worthwhile... and now he is old and dying.. and it will all disappear.... and then find someone to take up the ball and run with it mahendra mishra: he is 75 mahendra mishra: every moment his sugar is fluctuation literarydiscussions: i dont care if he lives to be 105... the day comes for all of us when we die... and if no one is proactive to plan for preservation of writings, they are lost mahendra mishra: I said his Sir, now I am 50 and may be now I am notable to work as I was working when 25 literarydiscussions: so it is utter nonsense to speak of some elderly person who does this, that or the other thing literarydiscussions: it is just postponeing the inevitable...which we all know will come literarydiscussions: bottom line.. if no provision is made.. then a lifes work is lost literarydiscussions: period literarydiscussions: end of discussion literarydiscussions: get my point? mahendra mishra: He said , I am always witnessingthe death, but my concrn is not to wait the death, and not to see what will happen after my death, butI am concern that myposterity must carry forward my ideas mahendra mishra: listen to me literarydiscussions: well... i would like to see one young person take an interest in being curator/caretaker of what i created... literarydiscussions: but they are all too lazy... mahendra mishra: yourpoint is welcome literarydiscussions: most of the world offers us rhetoric.... to make us feel better mahendra mishra: not lazy, that old man is more active than me mahendra mishra: yes literarydiscussions: the christians offer us rhetoric about forgiveness, paradise... mahendra mishra: I understand mahendra mishra: but one thing sitaram, literarydiscussions: the muslims offer us rhetoric about rivers of wine, honey, milk, houri virgins literarydiscussions: the politicians offer us rhetoric about economic improvement, peace... literarydiscussions: and it is all words, no action , no results mahendra mishra: That is dffeerent. literarydiscussions: look at my book http://www.toosmallforsupernova.org literarydiscussions: our sun and solar system will end in 5 billion years.. and no one will bother to do those things which might preserve human culture and life on earth literarydiscussions: because... they lull themselves to sleep with soothing rhetoric mahendra mishra: yes literarydiscussions: someone needs to BITCH-SLAP the world... to wake it up literarydiscussions: or at least a few people literarydiscussions: pardon my humor and sarcasm mahendra mishra: I have known you so I can endure u literarydiscussions: well, there is a humorous side to all this tragedy literarydiscussions: the tragedy of human apathy laziness and indifference mahendra mishra: that is mahendra mishra: ihave to takesome time _________________ Dr Mahendra K Mishra D-9 Flat , kalpana Area Bhubaneswar 751014 Orissa, india Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         literarydiscussions.myfreeforum.org Forum Index -> Tribal Folklore of India All times are GMT - 5 Hours Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum Showcase----------------You must CONTACT SITARAM directly to JOIN this message boardVoices of Africa UnitedHOW TO JOIN THIS FORUM. 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