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Sitaram · Site Admin Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 1079

literarydiscussions: hello
stephenpitkin: i think it worked
aiden_dream: welcome
stephenpitkin: hello
aiden_dream: thank you for joining us sitaram
literarydiscussions: thanks
aiden_dream: this is my dear stephen
stephenpitkin: yes, I appreciate it.
literarydiscussions: any time... add me to your buddy list if you like
aiden_dream: and this is the impressive poet!!!
stephenpitkin: pleased to meet you, Sitaram. Aiden has just shown me some of your poems a minute ago!
literarydiscussions: visit my message board too, if you like.. .http://www.literarydiscussions.myfreeforum.org
literarydiscussions: there is a poetry section there as well
aiden_dream: I really love your poems sitaram!!!I didnt know you write like this!
stephenpitkin: a perfect day for a bananafish, I noticed immediately
aiden_dream:
aiden_dream: thats my favorite short story
stephenpitkin: really???
aiden_dream: yes
stephenpitkin: he's my favorite writer
aiden_dream: also mine
literarydiscussions: you might find two of my short stories interesting.... "Noonday Siren" and "Necklace of Youths"
stephenpitkin: ok
aiden_dream:
aiden_dream: I shall read them
aiden_dream: am still under the magic of poems
aiden_dream: you know this dear steve writes too!!
stephenpitkin: here is a cup of tea for you, Aiden...
stephenpitkin: and you, Sitaram
literarydiscussions: virtual tea
stephenpitkin: to imbibe while refining the palate
aiden_dream: my mind is a cup ..filling with the rain of your words
stephenpitkin: I have always wanted to invite illustrious people to my home some afternoon and serve them tea
aiden_dream:
stephenpitkin: while reducing and building the world into Idea
literarydiscussions: Here is the short story, "Noonday Siren" http://literarydiscussions.myfreeforum.org/ftopic151.php
stephenpitkin: great - thanks
aiden_dream: thank you
aiden_dream: wow it feels great!
aiden_dream: I dont know what to say!!!
stephenpitkin: hmm
literarydiscussions: you should take a look at the painting by Remedios Vera, "Embroidering Earths Mantle", which Thomas Pynchon uses in chapter 1 of "The Crying of Lot 49"
aiden_dream: you have seen it stephen/?
aiden_dream: could you find it sit?
stephenpitkin: I think I'm seeing it now
stephenpitkin: http://www.fantasyarts.net/Carrin...oidering_earths_mantle_small1.jpg
aiden_dream: haha I am not
stephenpitkin: it's reminiscent of early rennaissance paintings
literarydiscussions: i have a copy of it at my site, i will find the link,... it should not be blocked in iran
aiden_dream: yes am looking at it now
stephenpitkin: ok
aiden_dream: but cant see it clearly ..small it is
stephenpitkin: yes
aiden_dream: hey stephen give your site address to sitaram
aiden_dream: I want him to see your works!
stephenpitkin: http://www.geocities.com/stephenpitkin/gallery2
literarydiscussions: http://www.toosmallforsupernova.org/embroideringearthsmantle.jpg
aiden_dream:
stephenpitkin: bigger better
aiden_dream: yes!
aiden_dream: really interesating...embriodering earth!
literarydiscussions: except, dont pass that around, because i pay for that bandwidth
stephenpitkin: no problem
literarydiscussions: you see.... they are creating reality i their art
stephenpitkin: yes
aiden_dream:
literarydiscussions: Stepen Mallarme, I think, said that "All of the world happens to be put in a book
stephenpitkin: (sighs relief)
literarydiscussions: Jorge Luis Borges quotes that
stephenpitkin: Hemingway said "don't describe. Create."
aiden_dream: which book you know who has all the world in it'/
aiden_dream: and I only can wonder!!!!niether describe nor create!
stephenpitkin: did you read "The Book of Sand"?
literarydiscussions: well.... borges short story "The LIbrary of Babel"
aiden_dream: who wrote it ...stephen?
stephenpitkin: beautiful title - I wonder if I've read it
stephenpitkin: Borges
aiden_dream: I read some of borges short stories
literarydiscussions: http://jubal.westnet.com/hyperdiscordia/library_of_babel.html
literarydiscussions: there is the story, plus a picture
stephenpitkin: the impossibility of attaining some absolute
aiden_dream: but am not sure if I have read this one
literarydiscussions: i hope that site is not blocked also in Iran
aiden_dream: no
literarydiscussions: ah, good
aiden_dream: am looking at it...it seems wonderful
aiden_dream: hexagonal galleries etc
aiden_dream: hey steve dont read it now!
stephenpitkin: yes - I added it to my favorites. It's so cute that he equates the universe with a library
aiden_dream: sitaram have you seen stephens paintings?
aiden_dream: yes
literarydiscussions: you mean, this fellow with us in chat?
stephenpitkin: I won't
aiden_dream: yes !!thats him
stephenpitkin: yes, this fellow with us in chat
stephenpitkin: lol
literarydiscussions: i only just met him, how could i see his paintings
aiden_dream: he just gave his site add
stephenpitkin: see them with your third eye
stephenpitkin: jk
aiden_dream: http://www.geocities.com/stephenpitkin/gallery2
literarydiscussions: ok... what is the link
literarydiscussions: ok
stephenpitkin: we all certainly must have a lot of pages open
aiden_dream: am surrounded by intelligence here
aiden_dream: yes
aiden_dream: I wish I was sitting there..helping those people to embroider earth!
stephenpitkin: I wonder what Borges would have thought of the internet. It probably would have been a great confirmation of his vision
literarydiscussions: nice paintings, interesting....
stephenpitkin: I'm glad that he reveled in the obscure, though...
literarydiscussions: reminds me somewhat of Remedios Varo
aiden_dream: who is it?
literarydiscussions: she was a spanish painter who came to Mexico city, and was friends with Frida
stephenpitkin: Varo, Aiden? The painter Sitaram showed us?
stephenpitkin: oh
aiden_dream: oh
literarydiscussions: they made a wonderful movie about Frida
aiden_dream: yes I hyave seen it!!
stephenpitkin: sounds like such a male name
stephenpitkin: ah
aiden_dream: so impressive the movie was
stephenpitkin: glad you liked it. I haven't seen it
literarydiscussions: so full of passion
aiden_dream: true....men dream of women like that
stephenpitkin:
literarydiscussions: a woman like Frida, a woman of such power and appetite, does not fit neatly into the Islamic world
aiden_dream: haha true
stephenpitkin: yet it is probably bursting with them
aiden_dream: but we usually dont fit the place with are at
stephenpitkin: fit the place with are at?
literarydiscussions: yes.... that old world war one song, "How ya gonna keep em down on the farm, after they seen Paris (Paree)
aiden_dream: like one takes a photo and your head is not there
stephenpitkin:
aiden_dream: haha
stephenpitkin: there's a great WWI film I saw recently at the Academy
stephenpitkin: in Bev Hills
stephenpitkin: called The Big Parade
aiden_dream: oh
aiden_dream: interesting
stephenpitkin: it had the most passionate romance and chemistry I've ever seen onscreen
stephenpitkin: it was silent (1925)
aiden_dream: haha
literarydiscussions: there is a 16th century female hindu ascetic who wrote poetry (verses), named Lalla
aiden_dream: lalla
stephenpitkin: hmmmm
literarydiscussions: her verses are quite remarkable
stephenpitkin: enticing name
aiden_dream: her name is like the beginning of a song
aiden_dream: why you mentioned her sitaram/?
stephenpitkin: ok - I'm closing some windows before looking her up
aiden_dream: haha
aiden_dream: dont close this one please!
literarydiscussions: http://www.koausa.org/Saints/LalDed/article6.html
stephenpitkin: I didn't trust it for a moment,
but I drank it anyway,
the wine of my own poetry.

It gave me the daring to take hold
of the darkness and tear it down
and cut it into little pieces.

aiden_dream: oh lalla wrote it?
stephenpitkin: yes
literarydiscussions: http://www.angelfire.com/ks/karnavati/souvenir/lala.html
aiden_dream:
aiden_dream: I cant have access to this last one
stephenpitkin: it's ok
aiden_dream: hey I must leave now..............
aiden_dream: its getting late
stephenpitkin: understood
stephenpitkin: I appreciate this forum
aiden_dream: it was so nice being with you two here
aiden_dream:
aiden_dream: thank you both!!
literarydiscussions: http://www.islaminterfaith.org/july2004/article2-07-04.htm
stephenpitkin: yes, it really was.
aiden_dream: you must excuse me now!
literarydiscussions: Hazrat Nuruddin Nurani was twenty-two when, in 1400 C.E., Lal Ded breathed her last, having spent much of his youth in her company. In such great reverence did he hold her that in one of his mystical verses (shruk) he says:
That Lalla of Padmanpore
Who had drunk to her full the nectar
She was an avatar of ours
Oh God, grant me the same spiritual power .

aiden_dream: bye byeeeeeeeee Stephen)
literarydiscussions: bye
aiden_dream: byeeeeeeeeeee sitaram
stephenpitkin: ok, Aiden. See you tomorrow.
aiden_dream: hey dont forget to send the thing you mentioned
aiden_dream: be well you guys..................
aiden_dream:
stephenpitkin: I won't aiden ( a short story)
aiden_dream:
stephenpitkin: bye now
literarydiscussions: lalla of Kashmir is interesting, in that she bridges a gap between sufi and hindu
stephenpitkin: was Lal Ded very young when she died?
literarydiscussions: sounds like it
stephenpitkin:
stephenpitkin: hmmm
literarydiscussions: i saw one contemporary sufi scholar who wrote a book comparing rumi with ramakrishna
stephenpitkin: I mean, Hazrat Nuruddin Nurani...
stephenpitkin: who is this?
literarydiscussions: i suppose he is respected by muslim sufis (the mystical branch of islam)
stephenpitkin: ...founded the Rishi order
stephenpitkin: oh
literarydiscussions: rishi is a vague ancient term.... supposedly the veda came from the ancient rishis, i think
stephenpitkin: and wrote many hagiographic accounts
stephenpitkin: the veda - ok
literarydiscussions: rig sam yajur
literarydiscussions: or rik
stephenpitkin: Rig, Sama, Yagur, Atharva...
literarydiscussions: my mind is old... i just now remembered artharva (but without google)
stephenpitkin: are prominent spellings on google
stephenpitkin:
literarydiscussions: google makes us all young and quickminded
stephenpitkin: I'm just thinking aloud
stephenpitkin: I'm practically a mute without these search engines
literarydiscussions: me too, they are quite addictive
literarydiscussions: like , everytime i see someone with a very long scarf, i think to google for the actress who wore long scarfs and died when one caught in the tire of a sportscar
literarydiscussions: but i never do
literarydiscussions: never do google
stephenpitkin: Isadora Duncan
stephenpitkin: (no google there, I'm happy to say)
stephenpitkin: the choreographer and dancer
stephenpitkin: John Dos Passos wrote an account of her death
literarydiscussions: that is it... when i saw it, i remembered
stephenpitkin: it's goldarned pictureque and unforgettable
literarydiscussions: and poor Virginia Woolf filled her pockets with rocks and drowned herself in a river
stephenpitkin: god - The Waves...
stephenpitkin: Ling Po was drunk one night, saw the moon in the river... and tried to embrace it
literarydiscussions: and someone in a greenwich village bar wrote on a blackboard in the bar, "Who's afraid of Virginia Woolf"
stephenpitkin: I am, George. I am
literarydiscussions: and a fellow saw it, and used it for the play
stephenpitkin: far out
stephenpitkin: Albee
literarydiscussions: they asked virginia woolfs family for permission to use the family name
stephenpitkin: it is maybe the quintessentially off-the-wall title
literarydiscussions: most people who recognize the name virginia woolf, know it from that context
literarydiscussions: supposedly, based on surveys
stephenpitkin: It was entrenched in the world of classics when I was born, so I never dreamed it would be so footloose
stephenpitkin: when I read it
stephenpitkin: Maybe it is also a reaction to her style of writing
stephenpitkin: and that of other classicist modernists
stephenpitkin: (whatever that means)
literarydiscussions: woolfs husband bought her a small printing press that fit on their kitchen table, and she used it to set the print for and publish TS Eliot's Wasteland, after all the other publishers had rejected it
literarydiscussions: what city are you in
stephenpitkin: Los Angeles
literarydiscussions: i was reading about the columnist out there who coined the word beat-nik
stephenpitkin: you're in Florida, right?
stephenpitkin: oh
literarydiscussions: yes
stephenpitkin: she set the text to Eliot's Shakespeherian Rag
literarydiscussions: the beatnick era ends just as Doby Gillis show comes out with Maynard Krebbs as a beatnik
stephenpitkin: wow
literarydiscussions: that actor who portrayed krebbs, and gilligan, just died a few months ago
stephenpitkin: bob denver
literarydiscussions: yes , thats it
stephenpitkin: I had no idea
literarydiscussions: did you know that the woman who married picasso and wrote "Life with Picasso" then married Dr. Salk (of polio vaccine fame)
stephenpitkin: I never saw the show
stephenpitkin: oh....
stephenpitkin: francoise gilot?
literarydiscussions: she was an artist herself, but she was married to two very different but very famous men
literarydiscussions: yes... thats her name
stephenpitkin: yes, that's it - I've read parts of "Life with Picasso"
stephenpitkin: yes
literarydiscussions: and, while picasso was painting Guernica, some woman photographed the various stages, so one may study the development/evolution
stephenpitkin: I didn't remember that she had married Salk...
literarydiscussions: she was on a television interview once with jonas salk
stephenpitkin: maybe a world-saving medic was her atonement for the hedonistic piscaso
stephenpitkin: yes...
literarydiscussions: mallarme said "a poem is never finished, but only abandoned"
stephenpitkin: oh - I thought it was Auden
literarydiscussions: hmmm... perhaps i am mistaken
stephenpitkin: but that's fine - we repeat each other, don't we
literarydiscussions: time to google again
stephenpitkin: I think I've heard at least 3 artists...
stephenpitkin: say, "good artists borrow, great artists steal"
stephenpitkin: Stravinsky, Eliot (TS) and Picasso
literarydiscussions: oops... Paul Vallery
literarydiscussions: i think
stephenpitkin: i so many words
stephenpitkin:
stephenpitkin: *in so many words
literarydiscussions: http://www.quotegarden.com/poetry.html
literarydiscussions: Robert Frost spoke of being "immortally wounded" by a poem
stephenpitkin: lol
literarydiscussions: Yeats chose some lines from Augustine's Confessions, in latin, as a preface to his collected poetry...
literarydiscussions: Oh, thou Beauty, most ancient, yet most fresh
literarydiscussions: far and wide have i searched for thee, and all along, thou wast within me
literarydiscussions: something like that
stephenpitkin: interesting to read Leonard Cohen's quote. His voice went through one of most radical transformations probably due to the ashen burning cigarette he contemplated
stephenpitkin: in singing
literarydiscussions: i like "Suzanne"
stephenpitkin: yeah
literarydiscussions: sank beneath your wisdom like a stone (or was that star)
stephenpitkin: stone is correct
literarydiscussions: ok, i thought so
literarydiscussions: e.e. cummings "any illimitable star"
stephenpitkin: it might have been "shot above your wisdom like a star" but I'm glad he chose the former
stephenpitkin:
literarydiscussions: cumming's line "you squeaked your sex like a pool cue" (something like that)
stephenpitkin: The poet doesn't invent. He listens. ~Jean Cocteau

stephenpitkin: this reminds me of Cocteau's poem Orphee
stephenpitkin: I mean his film
literarydiscussions: but wallace stevens wrote (if any trembling hand could make us squeak like dolls the wished for words
stephenpitkin: where Orpheus goes into the car in his garage
stephenpitkin: and listens for words coming out of a strange radio station
stephenpitkin: and writes them down
literarydiscussions: i have not seen that....
literarydiscussions: sounds interesting
stephenpitkin: yes - Orpheus is depicted as a poet, and some kind of cosmic plagiarist
literarydiscussions: well, i must leave soon.... but now you are on my buddy list, so dont be a stranger...
stephenpitkin: I won't - ii have to leave, too. Thanks for the entertaining words
literarydiscussions: and visit http://www.egroups.com/group/Sitaram my egroup for the past 6 years with 1500 posts/essays
literarydiscussions: and you have my message board link
stephenpitkin: I shall visit it, read, and with luck, contribute
literarydiscussions: thanks...
literarydiscussions: if you want your own forum there, on some special interest , let me know
literarydiscussions: it is not very active so far, with other members... but ... perhaps with time
stephenpitkin: I appreciate it. Right now I'm looking for a home or hotel for my short stories.
stephenpitkin: too
stephenpitkin: ok
literarydiscussions: sure... think up a forum name... i will make you moderator (which just means you have power to edit, delete everyones posts
literarydiscussions: some people think it is a job or responsibility...
literarydiscussions: it is just some added powers
stephenpitkin: I will look at your forum first and see what I want to do
stephenpitkin: well, it was great meeting you, Sitaram. Best of evenings to you.
literarydiscussions: thanks bye

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