literarydiscussions.myfreeforum.org Literature, Poetry, Essays, Dialogues, Philosophy, Theology    FAQ   Search   Memberlist   Usergroups   Join! (free) >   Profile   Log in to check your private messages   Log in  From the Jordan to the Ganges          literarydiscussions.myfreeforum.org Forum Index -> Dialogues View previous topic :: View next topic   Author Message Sitaram Site Admin Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 1079 Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:53 pm    Post subject: From the Jordan to the Ganges literarydiscussions: so what is it you were saying about Fr. Seraphim literarydiscussions: he told you things about Hinduism, did he? peterromanus: well he seemed very down on Hinduism literarydiscussions: well, but they are so down even on GREEK new calendar church literarydiscussions: not to mention idolators literarydiscussions: they are down on roman catholic and anglican peterromanus: yes peterromanus: he was down on the charismatic movement literarydiscussions: did you spend time in brookline or jordanville peterromanus: I never spent time there....I just read his books literarydiscussions: ok... i see... but you know, in the 1970s, one convert to orthodoxy told an interesting story, about some hindu guru, who met them, and said "Oh, for your nature and makeup, I suggest that you become eastern orthodox" peterromanus: hmmm literarydiscussions: they thought it quite odd that such a "servant of satan" would advise them to become eastern orthodox christian... literarydiscussions: but, that is exactly the spirit of Vivekananda, who once met a Mormon, around 1900 literarydiscussions: he said to that mormon, "Oh, I cannot join your religion, because I am celibate, and you believe in more than one wife,... but you should come to India and preach..." literarydiscussions: the mormon was astounded, "Why do you tell me to come to your native land and preach, when you reject my religion personally.." peterromanus: mormons no longer believe in more than one wife literarydiscussions: and Vivekananda explained,...."Well literarydiscussions: (thats besides the point) literarydiscussions: "Well, there are so many people in india who find no happiness with ANY RELIGION... so, if you can appeal to some of them... literarydiscussions: ... then they will know the joys of spirituality through YOUR religion" literarydiscussions: i guess, vivekananda had a certain understanding of polygamy,.... from their previous history.... but... that is not the essential aspect of the story peterromanus: right literarydiscussions: so, vivikananda and ramakrishna see things in a very ecumenical perspective... that spirituality is a smorgasboard of diversity literarydiscussions: and different personality types require different kinds of religions peterromanus: but religion is more than just a personality type...it makes claims to truth literarydiscussions: the strictest of Jains, the Digambra (naked, skyclad) have such a notion literarydiscussions: they believe that one is reborn in many different religions, until they are spiritually ready to become digambra jain monks and take full vows literarydiscussions: the Saivites also have such a notion... literarydiscussions: the single biggest problem for Christianity, is Jesus' prayer in Gesthemene, "Father, all those whom thou has given to me, make them ONE, even as you and I are one..." literarydiscussions: that prayer for unity never materialized... literarydiscussions: that is just my perspective and "take" on things peterromanus: I see literarydiscussions: Russian Bishop Anthony Krapovitsky theorized that mankinds salvation was wrought in Gestheme, with that prayer, and not by the Crucifixion,... and he was condemned for that theological teaching literarydiscussions: I hope I am not offending or angering you... peterromanus: no peterromanus: are you familiar with solovyov? literarydiscussions: no... literarydiscussions: i will tell you of two interesting people i encountered... peterromanus: he had similar mystical ideas....he expounded a system of sophiology literarydiscussions: one was in a bookstore for books on hinduism... i met a fellow, and we started talking... and he had been a novice at Jordanville.... but left, and followed the same literarydiscussions: same path as I did, to eastern religions peterromanus: did you begin in the eastern orthodox church? literarydiscussions: the other person, on the internet, read some of my writings, and emailed me to say that he had been in the monastery in Colorado, with that Iconographer, who left... Fr. Gregory... literarydiscussions: and he experienced the same thing as I did in brookline.... and he also wound up becoming buddhist/hindu literarydiscussions: i was so startled to meet two other people who had exactly the same experiences that i did literarydiscussions: i learned to speak and read greek and russian and slavonic, and remained eastern orthodox for 20 years, before I gradually fell away Back to top Display posts from previous: All Posts1 Day7 Days2 Weeks1 Month3 Months6 Months1 Year Oldest FirstNewest First         literarydiscussions.myfreeforum.org Forum Index -> Dialogues All times are GMT - 5 Hours Page 1 of 1   Jump to: Select a forum Showcase----------------You must CONTACT SITARAM directly to JOIN this message boardVoices of Africa UnitedHOW TO JOIN THIS FORUM. Click Join(free!) at upper right. 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